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    Having COVID v Having Innocs

    Thinking out loud here.

    We’re told that having COVID gives you high degree of resistance if not complete.

    We’re told that having innocs gives you ltd degree of resistance.

    So, is it better to let fit, younger folk contract the disease under VERY controlled circumstances and save inoculations peaking and troughing for ever?

    Discuss

    Jim

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    You can get it multiple times so the immunity is not that high or long lasting. A mate is on his third go and this time is much worse. This go way 4 months after his 2nd one first one had a gap of about a year.

    I have not seen any research that is conclusive in either direction. Does seam very widespread at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmcb View Post
    Thinking out loud here.

    We’re told that having COVID gives you high degree of resistance if not complete.

    We’re told that having innocs gives you ltd degree of resistance.

    So, is it better to let fit, younger folk contract the disease under VERY controlled circumstances and save inoculations peaking and troughing for ever?

    Discuss

    Jim
    No.

    Firstly, having had COVID 19 does not necessarily give you better “resistance” than a vaccine. Both BioNTech and Moderna have shown effectiveness rates of 95% and 94% respectively in their clinical studies.

    Secondly, you are focusing on mortality and ignoring morbidity issues such as long covid and potential complications.

    There are two other COVID threads that you may wish to review rather than beginning a new one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paw3001 View Post
    No.

    Firstly, having had COVID 19 does not necessarily give you better “resistance” than a vaccine. Both BioNTech and Moderna have shown effectiveness rates of 95% and 94% respectively in their clinical studies.

    Secondly, you are focusing on mortality and ignoring morbidity issues such as long covid and potential complications.

    There are two other COVID threads that you may wish to review rather than beginning a new one.
    Certainly not with current strains of COVID. They offer some protection against severity but little in terms of immunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodder View Post
    Certainly not with current strains of COVID. They offer some protection against severity but little in terms of immunity.
    Neither does prior infection as we are seeing.

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    The government have authorised the use of Monoclonal antibody treatment in August, why isn't this treatment being widely pushed and reported on? Rather than frightening people into the vax?

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    Just what we needed. Another covid related thread.

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    The government have authorised the use of Monoclonal antibody treatment in August, why isn't this treatment being widely pushed and reported on? Rather than frightening people into the vax?
    Because the cost is ~100x the cost of a COVID injection?

    And why wouldn’t you be afraid of this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk280 View Post
    Just what we needed. Another covid related thread.
    An anti-threader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Because the cost is ~100x the cost of a COVID injection?

    And why wouldn’t you be afraid of this?
    Cost should not be a issue if this is all about protecting us from this pandemic should it? Let's face it we have wasted probably 100x the cost of the treatment so far?

    Because its not experimental and proved safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neal666 View Post
    Cost should not be a issue if this is all about protecting us from this pandemic should it? Let's face it we have wasted probably 100x the cost of the treatment so far?

    Because its not experimental and proved safe.
    There’s not an infinite budget.

    The vaccine is not experimental either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonK View Post
    An anti-threader.
    Genuine LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmcb View Post
    Thinking out loud here.

    We’re told that having COVID gives you high degree of resistance if not complete.

    We’re told that having innocs gives you ltd degree of resistance.

    So, is it better to let fit, younger folk contract the disease under VERY controlled circumstances and save inoculations peaking and troughing for ever?

    Discuss

    Jim
    What very controlled circumstances exactly did you have in mind?
    Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmcb View Post
    Thinking out loud here.

    We’re told that having COVID gives you high degree of resistance if not complete.

    We’re told that having innocs gives you ltd degree of resistance.

    So, is it better to let fit, younger folk contract the disease under VERY controlled circumstances and save inoculations peaking and troughing for ever?

    Discuss

    Jim
    Maybe...if they survive and if they don't experience long-term/permanent Covid symptoms.

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    What fresh hell is this?

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    Maybe it's time to consign COVID threads to the Bear Pit along with Politics and Religion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmcb View Post
    Thinking out loud here.

    We’re told that having COVID gives you high degree of resistance if not complete.

    We’re told that having innocs gives you ltd degree of resistance.

    So, is it better to let fit, younger folk contract the disease under VERY controlled circumstances and save inoculations peaking and troughing for ever?

    Discuss

    Jim
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    Jimmcb this is just making work for Eddie.

    There's a thread on the forum already with over 700 pages on Covid. Can't you use that?

    Despite the best efforts of many people it still disintegrates occasionally.

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    ^I should clarify that it is making work for Eddie as with such a thread title it will almost certainly become political or contentious at some point.

    Merry Christmas by the way.

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    Apologies for causing the outpouring here folks. Not the intent to wind up so many.

    Thank you for the considered views though from obviously learned members. I’m wiser - and others may be too.

    As threads can’t be closed on this forum by the OPs I can’t prevent any additional remarks. Feel free NOT to add comment. (I have a wife who always likes the last word!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmcb View Post
    Thinking out loud here.
    So, is it better to let fit, younger folk contract the disease under VERY controlled circumstances and save inoculations peaking and troughing for ever?

    Discuss

    Jim
    Very controlled? How do you apply that when they can't control themselves at football matches (even players), parties, night clubs, pubs, etc. Not to mention the herds of uncontrollable anti vaccers having a pop at the police, and law abiding shoppers. They think they are invincible.
    How would you apply 'Very Controlled'?

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