Reply With QuoteBeautiful dial!
I have been patiently waiting for this lovely silver half hunter wristwatch to arrive from America.
Dennison case, Birmingham hallmark 1914.
I have a Waltham Riverside movement for it. And a selection of rare dials. Hard to know which one to choose.
The back is engraved but I love the name so won't remove it.
Here it is. Straight from the package :
More once I have restored it...
Last edited by Webwatchmaker; 19th April 2018 at 12:14.
Beautiful dial!
Cant wait to see that Brendan!
I have never seen a cover like that, with the small window and big numbers.
I bet it will brush up beautifully.
It is really gorgeous and the enamel on the case is perfect ! Hinges fine too.Originally Posted by ach5
Sadly I won't be able to do anything til I'm back from holiday.
Got 10 TZ watches and 22 others to fix before I go.
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Alternative dial:
And those beautiful slim hands. Purely period American.
Brendan
Very nice Brendan.
Here is a 1915 advert from the London Illustrated News.
Fantastic !Very nice Brendan.
Here is a 1915 advert from the London Illustrated News.
49 shillings! Same price in the 70s at Portobello Market.
Thank you bobbee.
Brendan
A bit of history regarding Schierwater & Lloyd and their premises in Liverpool.
Between the two world wars Schierwater & Lloyd had an electric cuckoo clock above their shop in Church Street. Illuminated at night and also had a floodlight that came on when the cuckoo appeared. So popular it was that crowds would gather and wait for the cuckoo's appearance.
Simpler times, eh!
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
I love things like that.
Wells cathedral clock too is amazing.
Brendan
Looking forward to seeing the results of this I love silver watches they always polish up nicely, the dial on that looks just lovely. Here is the only silver cased one currently in my collection, the other one is out for service.
I do have an old Waltham pocket watch I really need to send out for service one day.
Interesting to read about the Church street shop in Liverpool don't suppose anyone has any old photos of the store? From what I recall the Sewills old place is now apartments.
Gratuitous shot of my three silver ones, 1915 Waltham, 1914 no name, 1921 Medana (Mayer & Studeli).
Lovely ! Can you please photograph the insides ?Gratuitous shot of my three silver ones, 1915 Waltham, 1914 no name, 1921 Medana (Mayer & Studeli).
Brendan
The no name, with a replacement 'wermachtswerk' AS 1130. A swap with a friend.
The Waltham, lovely marking.
The Medana. M&S movement.
Here is a nice nickel cased1913 Omega, waiting for me to fabricate a bezel.
Thanks for the photos.The no name, with a replacement 'wermachtswerk' AS 1130. A swap with a friend.
The Waltham, lovely marking.
The Medana. M&S movement.
Here is a nice nickel cased1913 Omega, waiting for me to fabricate a bezel.
The replacement 1130 needs a period movement with enamel dial.
Nice Waltham 7 jewel.1900s
Medana is a Swiss cylinder.1900s
The Omega is the 'Labrador' movement. 1900s. One of their first successful watches.
Brendan
Better pic of the M&S and Waltham. The Waltham is an unusual one, it is an Illinois Watch Case Co. case, screw on back and bezel negative setting but with British silver marks.
Screw cases are the most sought after but also easily damaged by careless repairers trying to prise them open.Better pic of the M&S and Waltham. The Waltham is an unusual one, it is an Illinois Watch Case Co. case, screw on back and bezel negative setting but with British silver marks.
The case would likely be made by Dennison in the UK. Or returned here for hallmarking. Illinois and Waltham cases, also Hampden are usually interchangeable. Same movement sizes.
Serial number of your Waltham dates it to 1913.
Brendan
Last edited by Webwatchmaker; 20th April 2018 at 10:44.
Never heard the Omega called Labrador, only known it as the 13 OB, great to hear a new name for it, dates to 1912/13.
The no name has a double sunk enamel dial, rather leave as-is because it came from a friend (member busmatt), the Swiss cylinder is a Mayer & Studeli cal.52, 'Medana' is a M&S registered name.
Waltham movement dates to 1913. Case stamped "IWC Co." for the Illinois Watch case company.
https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/sear...ltham/19389437
Last edited by bobbee; 20th April 2018 at 10:57. Reason: Correcting date of Waltham and Omega
Wheel bridge has the profile of a labrador's head, hence the nickname.
Waltham Serial from 18,900,000 starts 1913 in my Cooksey Complete Guide.
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Here you go:
Brendan
Yes, I got the Waltham and Omega dates mixed up!
Good name for the movement, probably covers several ligne movements with same bridge shape, although it looks more like a tadpoles to me!
Yes. Sometimes hard to see. I have loads of parts and movements for both brands.Yes, I got the Waltham and Omega dates mixed up!
Good name for the movement, probably covers several ligne movements with same bridge shape, although it looks more like a tadpoles to me!
Omega, when I was offered the assistant curatorship of the museum in Bienne, showed me tupperware boxes full of labrador parts but never to be sold !
Brendan
Ah, you sound like a good person to know then! ;)
Just bragging !
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Nothing wrong with that!
Talking of which, check out the history of that Waltham here:
http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...31-Dirty-Harry
And a nice pocket watch I tidied up:
http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...8-Another-find.
Gorgeous ! I love getting them in a neglected state.Nothing wrong with that!
Talking of which, check out the history of that Waltham here:
http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...31-Dirty-Harry
And a nice pocket watch I tidied up:
http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...8-Another-find.
Brendan
First polish of my half hunter. Crystal glass to fit when polishing is done.
Brendan
Looking very good!
Possible, time is correct? http://www.thepeerage.com/p4554.htm#i45540
Yes. Timing perfect. I looked on Google but only found a writer and a granny kicking her daughter out.
Thanks. You are a great resourcer.X researcher !
Brendan
Last edited by Webwatchmaker; 20th April 2018 at 19:18.
You're welcome sir, would be great if that watch was gifted to/by her wouldn't it?
Looking forward to your rejuvenation of it.
Yes indeed and truly the watch of a person with breeding, but how could I prove it ?
It will be a few weeks yet before I can properly get to it.
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Regarding the dial it came with, these US watches with well known maker's using this type dial are known as 'private label'.
Some threads/posts regarding Schierwater & Lloyd in the NAWCC files.
https://mb.nawcc.org/search/415287/?...&o=relevance&c[node]=11
NAWCC ! Great site.
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A few of my Waltham and Elgin wristwatch dials:
Brendan
Some nice dials there.
Here are a couple of ads, 1914 Elgin and 1915 Waltham that match a few of your dials.
Elgin claiming the US war dept. recently purchased Elgin wrist watches for the cavalry, no less.
Last edited by bobbee; 21st April 2018 at 08:36.
Great stuff. Of course the Americans became very good at mass production due to weapon manufacture. They were ahead for a while !
I would love to find a book on enamel dial making. Waltham used to fire 300 at a time apparently.
Car boot this morning but nothing around.
Brendan
Last edited by Webwatchmaker; 21st April 2018 at 08:43.
Some online books you might like.
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?...=1;skin=mobile
https://archive.org/stream/watchmake...ng+watch+dials
https://archive.org/stream/tariffhea...ng+watch+dials
Methods.
Last edited by bobbee; 21st April 2018 at 09:36.
Unfortunately my girlfriend loves the watch we spoke about so that’ll be adding to the list! But it’s not urgent, I’ll email you for when’s convenient.
Hope these post ok Brendan, but your original post prompted me to dig out my old half-hunter.
There is a nice inscription on the reverse:
“Presented to R.S.M Green K.O.Y.L.I by the Members of the SEARGEANTS MESS Young Soldiers BATTn
CANADIANS
BEXHILL 10.10.1917”
It is my intention, if you’re ok Brendan with it, to put it in to your care for TLC, as you did with my Zenith Defy, following your holiday!
If it’s bad form to add to your post, please could the mods remove it.
Last edited by Mainspring; 21st April 2018 at 15:48.
Cannot find any photographs of the store, but there's a reference to it in this:
R"Tramcar drivers looked puzzled, motorists scratched their heads and pedestrians stopped and listened. Unmistakedly above the noise of traffic came the familiar call- cuckoo, cuckoo. The bird had not strayed from the countryside but forms part of an interesting cuckoo clock which has been installed above the premises of Messrs Schierwater & Lloyd Ltd. The clock is a 24 hour all-electric one which is illuminated at night. There is also a small floodlight which brings the cuckoo into the limelight when it appears from its nest every hour and calls the hour. This is the only clock of its type in the world and hundreds of people waited in Church street as each hour approached to hear the cuckoo's call."
('The Liverpool Book of Days' by Steven Horton)
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
That IS nice mainspring. Separate chapter ring and an early AS bar movement. I have a box of them and enamel dials to fit. Look forward to seeing it.Hope these post ok Brendan, but your original post prompted me to dig out my old half-hunter.
There is a nice inscription on the reverse:
“Presented to R.S.M Green K.O.Y.L.I by the Members of the SEARGEANTS MESS Young Soldiers BATTn
CANADIANS
BEXHILL 10.10.1917”
It is my intention, if you’re ok Brendan with it, to put it in to your care for TLC, as you did with my Zenith Defy, following your holiday!
If it’s bad form to add to your post, please could the mods remove it.
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Thanks very much!
I’d forgotten I had it, until this thread jogged my memory!
It is in lovely condition for a 101 year old watch.
It needs some TLC, so will be off to you as soon as you can fit it in!
Thanks,
Pete
Last edited by Mainspring; 21st April 2018 at 17:04.
Back in the slave trade end of May !
Brendan
Excellent - enjoy your break, and I’ll email you during June to see when to send it off to you.
Cheers
Thanks M. I look forward.
Brendan
Hope these post ok Brendan, but your original post prompted me to dig out my old half-hunter.
There is a nice inscription on the reverse:
“Presented to R.S.M Green K.O.Y.L.I by the Members of the SEARGEANTS MESS Young Soldiers BATTn
CANADIANS
BEXHILL 10.10.1917”
It is my intention, if you’re ok Brendan with it, to put it in to your care for TLC, as you did with my Zenith Defy, following your holiday!
If it’s bad form to add to your post, please could the mods remove it.
KOYLI:
RSM Green may have been a party to training the Canadian recruits at Bexley training centre.
What I could find regarding that.
http://www.eastsussexww1.org.uk/canadians-bexhill-sea/
Thanks Bobbee - fascinating stuff!
My box of mostly AS bar movements (no calibre number) and some dials to fit:
Brendan
*Yes, thanks Bobbee. Most informative.
Brendan
Trench watches, history of early watches, Brendan showing his bits (!), hog heaven!
Video of Canadian recruits training at Bexhill, 1917.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so...LQKWJcyYuFp-XJ
Maybe RSM Green is in there somewhere.
I love the history here. Thanks again!
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