I assume this isn't a real one but it looked good. Reg checkers have it as a 1988 Rover, which I assume is the original car to carry this plate. The driver probably has fake plates on it to fit the car
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TBH, it doesn’t even really look like a 250 GTO. And they certainly weren’t F regs.
You need to change your thread title.
Obviously not an actual F reg. Fairly certain it's not the genuine article but a lot of these were based on 250GTEs so still a classic Ferrari
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Roof line looks more Datsun 240z.
I was round at a friends last night and was lucky enough to sit in his RHD Miura SV and 365 GTB/4, both absolutely stunning.
i think you are right to assume its a fake. All be it rather nice. Possibly built on a a 944 body.Originally Posted by Parabola
I assume this isn't a real one but it looked good. Reg checkers have it as a 1988 Rover, which I assume is the original car to carry this plate. The driver probably has fake plates on it to fit the car
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As an aside Nick Masons 250 GTO has the reg 250 GTO. Cooler than an iceberg.
Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not to hit it at all.
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Strange that fake cars are okay but watches generally unacceptable to most on here.
Difference is, nobody tries to sell a repro car on as original to defraud a buyer.
I've got no issue, they brighten what can sometimes be a dull day.
I like your style.Correction. He'd drive a Ferrari P4.
I think that's my position. But it's only for extremely limited globally important cars.
When we're talking about something worth £20m, nobody is going to buy an MR2 thinking it's a GTO.
And I'm only talking about at that level.
Anything that could be confused for the real thing (by someone who has done due diligence) is where my interest ends.
How many real 250 GTOs aren't real at all?
If I had one of the 39 250 GTOs, valued at, what, £35-£50million, I'd have a perfect replica built and would park the real thing in a large vault somewhere. The owners of the cars you see race at Goodwood would be bonkers to use the original GTO engine, gearbox and so on, they'd be locked up somewhere safe and that 250 GTE donor car they plundered 20 years ago when they weren't worth much will donate all the choice bits which can then be modified for racing.
Here's a nice piece on a chap in New Zealand who builds proper replicas:
"A man of little significance"
Discounting James Glickenhaus' recreation of chassis #0846 (he'll be threatening to sue me again) ....
This is probably the best P4 replica out there. Period. It was built for a wealthy American client (in Seattle) over a period of about 20 years. The cost ended up being well over a million (Sterling).
I went to see it a couple of times during its construction and Rob Wilson's attention to detail was nothing short of incredible. It's virtually all fabricated from scratch (apart from the block and ZF gearbox). Rob had extended access to #0856 when it was owned by the late David Clarke.
http://www.rmwilsonengineering.co.uk/p4/
There is some more footage on YouTube somewhere, being driven on road in the States.
I thought the owner spoiled it with those over-sized roundels and incorrect #25 fonts.
Edit: Found it ! I'd forgotten how tall the owner was. Good job he'd specified a spyder.
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Yeah, there can't be more than a handful of real ones in the UK. Too precious even.for the uber rich to drive on the road (even Mayfair). I've seen some pretty special stuff near the office though including a 275GTB, a Maclaren P1, a few Veyrons and a Chiron. There is even a guy in the building across the road that commutes in this
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Quite a few 240Zs were butchered to make these monstrosities so it wouldn't surprise me if that's what's underneath. The irony being a 240Z is now worth good money and is a cracking piece of kit.
"A man of little significance"
I used to be very against all fake cars.
But now I make exceptions for cars like the GTO. None of us will own one so I can understand using a donor Ferrari to create one.
The cheap ones are still awful.
Ditch, you know someone with a RHD SV? That's one of my all time favourites. You know the rules, pics...
That doesn’t make sense I will never be able to afford a milsub but I won’t buy a fake.
Now that is pure class.Yeah, there can't be more than a handful of real ones in the UK. Too precious even.for the uber rich to drive on the road (even Mayfair). I've seen some pretty special stuff near the office though including a 275GTB, a Maclaren P1, a few Veyrons and a Chiron. There is even a guy in the building across the road that commutes in this
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AO, this good enough? I got to sit in it last night and it’s tiny! It’s got a tape player that Rod spec’d with a record button so he could hum tunes/lyrics etc into when driving! It’s a thing of beauty, as is the Clapton 275.
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StunningAO, this good enough? I got to sit in it last night and it’s tiny! It’s got a tape player that Rod spec’d with a record button so he could hum tunes/lyrics etc into when driving! It’s a thing of beauty, as is the Clapton 275.
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That’s amazing, one of the most desireable cars ever built. I always shudder at the opening scenes of The Italian Job!AO, this good enough? I got to sit in it last night and it’s tiny! It’s got a tape player that Rod spec’d with a record button so he could hum tunes/lyrics etc into when driving! It’s a thing of beauty, as is the Clapton 275.
Not in the same league but I once happened upon this old Ford on my travels.
Amazing. If there was an automotive God, they'd drive an SV.
... and when you keep the cowls clean, it won't overheat in city traffic
Spannering away in a classic car workshop brings one in contact with people who have proper car collection. What amazes me is the difference between people and their attitude when it comes to using of their cars. One guys opts for a Citroen C1 as his daily driver; with 100+ serious classics (e.g. Gullwing Merc, GT40, Allard) in his "amusment hall", and Jay Lano's phone number in his contact list. An older couple (70+) with a Jag XK120, SS100, S-type and two Ferraris (one classic...) go camping all around Europe in the XK120 and don't even bother to lock the car when they park it in an old historic town they like to visit!
Menno
You can lock an XK120? A coupé presumably or do you mean the boot lid? My old banger doesn't have door locks or bumpers so I have to be very careful where I park and what I leave in it. Someone once relieved me of a fuel can and an old copy of Classic & Sports Car left in the footwell. People will take anything.
"A man of little significance"
That’s the equivalent of having a nice watch collection in the safe and wearing a G-Shock or having them all out and wearing them in rotation.
It seems a shame to have something and not to use it.
Tricky one.
I don't think many people really think you drive a Ferrari 250 GTO or a P4 if you rock up in one of these.
Those really in the know will spot a 'replica'/fake straight off and most people will assume it's a replica even if it's not!
Cobras suffer from this - Everyone assumes EVERY Cobra is a replica, even the real ones!
Watches are at a different price point, a Rolex might cost you £5,000, a GTO £15,000,000... Wearing a fake Rolex, people won't automatically assume you can't afford the real thing.
How many Ferrari 250 GTOs are there? How many actually get driven? How many Jaguar D-Types were made? How many Marcos XPs (OK, you can't buy a replica of that one!)? There was (like the Marcos) only ever one Jaguar XJ13 and Jaguar won't sell that, so is it wrong to drive a replica?
That said, and whilst I love some of the kit replicas around (That P4 looks great and some Lancia Stratos replicas are reckoned to be BETTER than the real thing!), I don't think I'd have one - there are plenty of great affordable classics out there without driving a Nissan with a body kit, but I don't view people with replica cars the way I do those with fake watches..
And I can see that that's an inconsistency!
M
PS I'd agree, the car in the original post doesn't look real, even ignoring the plate...
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Au Contraire my friend. You'd be surprised. I know I was - almost mortified at the time in fact.
I sold my P4 replica at the end of May 2016. It was a big wrench, but I had to let it go.
I listed it on eBay (the listing is still out there, in eBay history), but sold it privately off eBay.
The description was quite lengthy (even by my wordy standards).
I tacked this onto the bottom as an amusing footnote. It is a TRUE STORY.
I did ask to be re-directed to the 'plebs' car park, but was instructed to park in the main Ferrari parking area. The car attracted a lot of attention, for most of the day - someone even painted a watercolour of it, which they presented to me. Needless to say I never again took it to another such F.O.C. event, for fear of a recurrence - only track days.Final footnote and a mildly amusing anecdote:
Many years ago, when my enthusiasm for the Ferrari marque was at its height, I joined the Prancing Horse Register, which entitled me to attend Ferrari UK club events. In 2003, I attended the UK National Concours at Boughton House, driving this Noble P4 replica. Uncertain what their reaction to a 'Fake Ferrari' in their midst might be, I approached the entrance with some trepidation, looking for the ‘plebs’ non-Ferrari parking area. To my horror I suddenly realized that the marshals waving frantically at me were calling me down to the Ferrari competition car display area, near the main house. I don’t know who was more embarrassed.
How many P4's ? 8 or 9 real ones, depending on your opinions of James Glickenhaus' chassis #0846.
Nope. I never claimed my car was anything other than a replica, indeed P4Replica was (and still is) my username on a good many forums (including FerrariChat and Pistonheads).
Thanks. I had a lot of good times in that car and never heard anyone say a bad word about it.
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Here's the original.I assume this isn't a real one but it looked good. Reg checkers have it as a 1988 Rover, which I assume is the original car to carry this plate. The driver probably has fake plates on it to fit the car
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http://talacrest.com/ferrari-250-gto-3387/galleries/
I believe it's asking around £50 million.
He was filling up next to me at the service station on the Hogs Back many moons ago.
Sadly before the days of camera phones otherwise a shot of my Marcos and it side by side would have been quite nice :)
M
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This is the closest I'll get to owning a 250 GTO...
In fact, technically speaking, I own a bit more of chassis number 3527GT as I couldn't resist buying the prototype cufflinks when they came up for sale too...
Are two pairs of exactly the same cufflinks madness or is that a stupid question on a watch forum where members have multiple versions of the same watch?!!
All the best,
Paul
In a thread about fake cars, I’d be mildly concerned that ‘Christopher Bennett’ managed to change his signature between the two sets.
Are two pairs of exactly the same cufflinks madness or is that a stupid question on a watch forum where members have multiple versions of the same watch?!!
Don't worry. It's the same. His own set of cufflinks must have hindered him when he put down the second signature! His wrist had a hard time moving freely when signing. (Sorry Paul, just joking. In reality, I like these cufflinks!)
Haha - Very good guys!
I too was "mildly concerned" but I have it in writing from Christopher himself that they are indeed both his signature and the differences are down to when he signed them and the mood he was in at the time!!!
(The confirmation was by e-mail so I'm afraid I cannot confirm which signature he would have used when he replied to me...!)
Cheers,
Paul
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