Drivers and Roundabouts....... arrrgh

**tixntox** · 21st February 2018, 18:55

They've just completed a long section of the Northern Distributor Road around Norwich complete with dual carriageways and roundabouts (with 2 lanes!). The old Norfolk boyz "be confoosed"! Some have tried driving straight over the top!!!

**sean** · 21st February 2018, 20:11

Originally Posted by Glamdring

Where would any of you say are excellent examples of first rate road planning?

**Backward point** · 21st February 2018, 20:22

In my previous life I regularly had to contend with the Russian roulette of the Hanger Lane Gyratory, the Target Roundabout and the Shepherd and Flock roundabout.

I'm glad that I don't have to go to any of those places any more. Wembley, Harrow, Park Royal and North (pronounced "Nawf") Acton are just unpleasant and thankfully distant memories.

Jason: the answer to the question of who has right of way in a Mexican stand-off situation at a mini roundabout is that the person driving the most expensive car always has right of way, as they can probably afford the best lawyer.

**PipPip** · 21st February 2018, 23:10

I used to do the Arc de Triomphe roundabout and down the Champs Elysees every day on a scooter. Now that really was an experience. Very much a case of being brave and just going for it. UK driving seems to be heading that way!

**K300** · 22nd February 2018, 02:32

I frequently use the M60

Here's one for you, M60 anti clockwise from the Trafford Centre to Stockport, some pratt in the middle lane sees a 'Possible queue ahead' sign with an advisory speed limit of 40 mph.
No visible queue for a good mile. Car slows to 40mph immediately and creates a queue of his own backing up behind him/her.
Pratt.

**adrianw** · 22nd February 2018, 05:35

Originally Posted by K300

Here's one for you, M60 anti clockwise from the Trafford Centre to Stockport, some pratt in the middle lane sees a 'Possible queue ahead' sign with an advisory speed limit of 40 mph.
No visible queue for a good mile. Car slows to 40mph immediately and creates a queue of his own backing up behind him/her.
Pratt.

M25 every day, then every so often someone drives into him

**Alan C** · 22nd February 2018, 07:35

It's not just roundabouts, it's everywhere.

The standard driving I see every day is getting worse and worse.

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**sweetpea** · 22nd February 2018, 07:59

Originally Posted by K300

Here's one for you, M60 anti clockwise from the Trafford Centre to Stockport, some pratt in the middle lane sees a 'Possible queue ahead' sign with an advisory speed limit of 40 mph.
No visible queue for a good mile. Car slows to 40mph immediately and creates a queue of his own backing up behind him/her.
Pratt.

Ha ha.... I see that most days all round the M60...great use of common sense...... just in his own little bubble......

Mike

**Seiko7A38** · 22nd February 2018, 08:27

Originally Posted by sean

Haha. Swindon's own Magic Roundabout.
You can always tell someone from out of town, who are encountering it for the first time; they just sit there scratching their head in bewilderment.
I cross it a least once a day, taking all exits except one (which is now a dead end). Usually straight-line it, without stopping - apart from peak times.

**solwisesteve** · 22nd February 2018, 08:36

Swinemore lane outside beverley. 42 sets of lights on one roundabout!!

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/68...traffic-lights

After about a dozen times using it you finally figure it out. How visitors cope I've no idea.

Un********believable!

**aa388** · 22nd February 2018, 08:38

I regularly have to suffer the Milton Keynes roundabouts at kicking out times, it’s no fun when your in an artic and need a bit more room than people are prepared to let you. The speed can be an issue when your trying to get out fully loaded and don’t accelerate as fast a people want you to. It makes my weekly trips into Park Royal a pleasure.

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**AlphaOmega** · 22nd February 2018, 08:43

Hanger Lane.

* shudder*

The problem is that there are two ways of navigating it, and in rush hour it can affect how long you're on it. The first is to use the correct lanes and move through with clear indication.

The second is to pick the clearest lane and boot it through each section before pulling into the lane you want at the last minute.

Most people seem to go with option one. But there are enough choosing option two to make the whole thing a risky undertaking.

**sweetpea** · 22nd February 2018, 09:29

Originally Posted by Seiko7A38

Haha. Swindon's own Magic Roundabout.
You can always tell someone from out of town, who are encountering it for the first time; they just sit there scratching their head in bewilderment.
I cross it a least once a day, taking all exits except one (which is now a dead end). Usually straight-line it, without stopping - apart from peak times.

Whoa.... that looks scary.... made me laugh to see that there were spectators turning up to watch......

Mike

**Mj2k** · 22nd February 2018, 11:15

Originally Posted by Seiko7A38

I cross it a least once a day, taking all exits except one (which is now a dead end). Usually straight-line it, without stopping - apart from peak times.

Straight line, you big girl; try this!

https://www.redbull.com/gb-en/mad-mi...undabout-video

Not been to the magic roundabout for years, so imagine I will sit patiently like an outsider again should I ever return there.

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**Ethos** · 22nd February 2018, 12:36

Originally Posted by P9CLY

I start work at 5am,on my way to work I'm on a long stretch of road where traffic in both directions can clearly be seen,on occasion a car a 1/4 mile ahead will indicate he's turning,who he was letting know I have no idea!,because no one was there,so YES indicate if by not it may cause confusion,but to simply indicate when no one is there is plain stupid!.

Are you saying the person should first check whether someone is nearby and only then indicate?

**Dazzler** · 22nd February 2018, 13:23

Originally Posted by Ethos

Are you saying the person should first check whether someone is nearby and only then indicate?

Mirror, signal, manoeuvre - would suggest the check.

**jameswrx** · 22nd February 2018, 13:36

Originally Posted by Onelasttime

The roundabout by us has feeder lanes all the way round so cars can smoothly travel from right to left at every entry point. Total waste of time as people still weave and dive all over the place.

I think it's more to do with selfishness - I've got to get somewhere so screw everyone else mentality.

Same here, large roundabout off j10 M20, if you track following your lane (as you should) every time some numpty will just come into your lane. The worst bit is when they honk at you for them wandering into your lane! I’d ban half the drivers on the road if I could! Trouble is most people just don’t look around them and aren’t aware of their surroundings, they just think if they’re in front they can wander where they like.

There’s also another roundabout here where it seems some unwritten rule that turning right you can be in the left lane and cruise all the way round the roundabout in the left lane! Drives me nuts to the point I want to make road signs saying “turning right, get in the RIGHT lane”. I try and make a point of indicating right and going round next to them and indicating left but you then get abuse for driving correctly.

Don’t get me started on inconsiderate parking either!

**solwisesteve** · 22nd February 2018, 14:48

Originally Posted by Ethos

Are you saying the person should first check whether someone is nearby and only then indicate?

The reason why the preferred routine is see if there is anyone there that needs to know that you are manoeuvring and only then indicate if needed, is it stops you falling into the habit of simply signal and then move. ISTR this is why it's encouraged by the AIM; it makes you THINK.

**Saint-Just** · 22nd February 2018, 15:34

Originally Posted by jameswrx

Same here, large roundabout off j10 M20, if you track following your lane (as you should) every time some numpty will just come into your lane. The worst bit is when they honk at you for them wandering into your lane! I’d ban half the drivers on the road if I could! Trouble is most people just don’t look around them and aren’t aware of their surroundings, they just think if they’re in front they can wander where they like.

There is no denying that there are some proper numpties at the wheel around here but to be fair this roundabout has several lanes merging (if you know the roundabout) and one very counterintuitive (if you don’t); I mean the outside lane across the bridge that can go to the WH hospital, or continue round to go to Tesco.

**Kingstepper** · 22nd February 2018, 15:54

Not easy on large roundabouts, often with traffic lights, where you have to change lanes throughout. Difficult when busy and have to 'push in'.

**hilly10** · 23rd February 2018, 18:28

My pet hate is indicators or lack of use of. We ought to be able to flog these people who do not know what they do

**draftsmann** · 23rd February 2018, 19:06

Originally Posted by hilly10

My pet hate is indicators or lack of use of. We ought to be able to flog these people who do not know what they do

Definitely don’t come to Malta. We have great fun with tourists in hire cars who display “anal driver syndrome”.

**Ethos** · 24th February 2018, 00:33

Originally Posted by solwisesteve

The reason why the preferred routine is see if there is anyone there that needs to know that you are manoeuvring and only then indicate if needed, is it stops you falling into the habit of simply signal and then move. ISTR this is why it's encouraged by the AIM; it makes you THINK.

Interesting! I didn't think of that

**walkerwek1958** · 24th February 2018, 10:32

Many roundabouts and traffic islands etc are so complex thesedays, unless you’re familiar with them you’re going to struggle to work out exactly where you need to be. If it’s raining and dark the road markings are nigh- on impossible to read, that’s not a problem for the regular users but it makes life even harder for a stranger.

Does anyone consider this when ranting and criticising?

**Enda** · 24th February 2018, 13:24

Originally Posted by firefoxed

Apparently the worst hypocrites on the road in Ireland and the UK are...... hangs head in shame.

https://amp.independent.ie/life/moto...-36623910.html

The standard of driving in Ireland is terrible. 3 lane motorway, nothing on it and you will be guaranteed to come across someone doing 50 in the outside lane with no one near them. At traffic lights you will always get cars going through when their light has been red for up to 5 seconds. It’s the same at pedestrian lights and the majority of cyclists are worse again when it comes to lights.

**200mwaterresistant** · 25th February 2018, 10:46

Originally Posted by yumma

Agreed, plus why do some people not even bother to indicate? It's not hard is it?

Buying a:

BMW
Audi
White Van
White Range Rover

You automatically get the privilege (or maybe are just born with the sh*tty attitude) that you do not need to function as part of society and can be a total bellend, endangering the lives of others and yourself... We can only hope Darwinism runs its course and these people are exterminated through their own actions without injuring others.

**draftsmann** · 25th February 2018, 11:24

Originally Posted by 200mwaterresistant

Buying a:

BMW
Audi
White Van
White Range Rover

You automatically get the privilege (or maybe are just born with the sh*tty attitude) that you do not need to function as part of society and can be a total bellend, endangering the lives of others and yourself... We can only hope Darwinism runs its course and these people are exterminated through their own actions without injuring others.

5. Being Maltese (and quite possibly one of several other species of Southern European) and having better things to do than be anal?

**Go Big** · 25th February 2018, 11:44

You should live near me! I'm pretty sure Dick Dastardly is doing the road designs; some of the roundabouts are so confusing and convoluted I'm surprised there aren't more crashes.

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**Neilw3030** · 25th February 2018, 12:16

Originally Posted by adrianw

only indicate when exiting

http://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/chang...or-roundabouts

**MarkO** · 25th February 2018, 13:02

Try this for roundabout problems -

American tourists having never seen a roundabout before, tell them to drive on the left but then give them a left hand drive car - throw drink driving ( compulsory here ) into the mix and and a generous portion of jitney drivers in old Toyota Corollas and no insurance or clue how to drive .

I regularly see cars on wrong side of road and have seen tourists do U-turn at a roundabout but without going around the roundabout- yes that means turning into the traffic coming round rather than going all the way round .

**Neil.C** · 25th February 2018, 16:51

I used to drive round Hyde Park corner and the Elephant before there were any traffic lights.

It was every man for himself and cabs everywhere!

**Neil.C** · 25th February 2018, 16:53

Originally Posted by draftsmann

Definitely don’t come to Malta. We have great fun with tourists in hire cars who display “anal driver syndrome”.

I've always found driving in Malta very pleasant and I've been all over the island - quite rustic except those awful surfaces that make everyone's tyres squeal so you feel like you are in a Hollywood film.

**itsgotournameonit** · 25th February 2018, 19:25

Originally Posted by Chinnock

Amazed by the number of drivers these days who don't bother to look ahead and read the traffic upon approaching a roundabout. Instead they prefer to stop, then look right when there is no traffic!! Twats.

^^This^^

I am glad it’s not just me 👍

**sweetpea** · 25th February 2018, 20:53

Thankyou all for the inputs I've read some very amusing comments and lots I can relate to......

I certainly don't see things improving anytime soon

Stay safe out there.....

Mike

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