Reply With QuoteMines waiting at the AD for me to collect. New one looks good though.
Mine is going back in the safe....Originally Posted by BadBoyR
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Mines waiting at the AD for me to collect. New one looks good though.
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Tough call! I do like the look of the new one.
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Easy solution. Get both.
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Actually I had always intended to keep my d blue for my son, his birth year watch. Hopefully get a new one to wear as is one of my faves ever.
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Brushed would've been too good to be true.
Jubilee over PCL.
That's what I would do. Just need to try and get the new one now....
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Great minds....
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I wouldn't put money on that.
I don't know if this has been noticed already, but the white gold Pepsi is on Rolex's site, but with a blue dial.
https://www.rolex.com/watches/gmt-ma...blro-0002.html
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I wouldn't say its tosh... they don't know what is being released, he was saying its crazy as people are putting their name down for anything that is released new this year, whatever it is. And I assume ADs will always have a favourite customers if they drop money with them in this manner. Would they not be your favourite?
Never seen these before myself... so I'd say these are new. Thats a day three lets get the press in to show them off after the big ticket pieces have flooded the web. I bet the black looks really good in the metal.Are the plain black and white dial options for the Oyster Perpetal 39 new today?
Ditto on the OP 36
Thanks for sharing, didn't notice that.. Also the list price has dropped a couple of thousands Euro from the previous Black dial model!
I hope so, though the two references haven't shared a mid case since the five-digit days.
Indeed, just look at how the value of the SDc4000 tanked after it was discontinued.
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Bit of a different scenario though!
Actually it just dawned on me that this dial is in fact a new design in the 39mm range. Not a mixture of indices but all lummed one size.
Nothing on the web about these yet from what I can see.
Rang local AD and asked to be put on 'the list' for the GMT - got directed to go online and register my interest.
Chances I never hear anything... high. Although they did ask if I was local (I am) but then asked if I had purchased from them before (I haven't, but purely by chance).
different as you say. One was unloved and available in pretty much any AD until discontinued. One much sought after, long wait list and making well over rrp second hand, then discontinued....
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One was replaced with pretty much the same watch. One wasn't replaced.
Not sure about this really. The new DSSD is no dramatic departure from the older model - it merely solves the problems (the bracelet) of the older model. I for one would not pick the older model over the new - they're too similar and the newer model is the much better watch.
In a slightly different context, the 16600 SD's didn't go mad in value after the 116600 SD's came out. The SD4k is a bit of a white elephant tbh.
New case, bracelet, movement. Same dial. Of course, Rolex collectors don't focus upon small differences.
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Of course nobody knows how prices of luxury items will go. Tulip bulbs anyone?
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Dial has changed at 6, crown between Swiss made.
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I stand corrected.....
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Close enough - I'd like a prize of some sort please!
https://www.rolex.com/watches/oyster...4300-0005.html
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Agree with this. A more similar situation is the updates to the 39mm Explorer. Whilst there will ultimately be fewer models produced with shorter hands and lack of lume on the numerals, I don't think they will trade at a premium over the revised example, as ultimately they are a less desirable iteration.
How can you say with any authority that "the newer model is the much better watch" here??
In theory, the new one rights what some see an issue with the current bracelet (not something I personally have an issue with my own on my wrist now) but until it's on the wrist and assessed fully no one really knows if it's "better" or just, perhaps, "different"....
Obviously, all experiences differ but there has been a rise in 16600 SDs since the SD43 came out in my experience. There were obviously long standing rumours of a Sea Dweller Anniversary long before one came out and it was my hunch that it would drag up interest in the 16600 when it came. I also figured on 16600s being chronically undervalued for a long time for as far as I could see it-no reason.
In 2016 it was incredibly easy to pick one up in great condition for just under/around £4k. Mine is now in the window of a dealers at just under £7k with trade offers being around £5k. From retail to trade that's an uplift of a thousand pound (25%).
Not bad business all in all.
Prices on the 16600 absolutely tanked when the SD4K came out. They have only started to creep up since it's discontinuation. It's currently one of the most undervalued of the references. Totally orthogonal to the SubDweller, there has been a constant rise in all prices.
Tell me about it - I REALLY want a 16600 to join my collection. Could have done without everyone discovering how cool they are all of a sudden.
Agreed, I don't have much authority here. All I have to go on is that the (somewhat small) amount of owners I have spoken with have felt that the bracelet being a bit weirdly small for the watch was the one thing they would change - however they all brush it off as an issue because they love the watch overall - and that's fair enough. Now of course, subjectively speaking one could prefer this smaller bracelet over the newer one, but that's unlikely and given the new movement also has some advantages I'd struggle to see why someone would pick the older one over the newer one. But that's just me...
They are still very reasonable though, although it's in a window on SoR at a high price £5.5 would still buy it on a private sale.
It is all about rarity with Rolex, as far as I can see at least. The new issue of the DSSD would incline me to think that the model will be made for at least the medium term future. That means that most people who want one should be eventually be able to get hold of either dial colour, but there will be no more of the original ones. With the original dial/case/bracelet/moment. How that alters used values is anyone's guess. Who would have thought that a change in the four on an LV bezel would have such am influence on value. Rarity?
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The determination of people to insist that all Rolex sports watches will make them a profit is unconvincing. People gambled on the Deepsea being discontinued. Instead, there is a very similar, but better version. The mark one may rise in value, but it's no SD4000 by any stretch.
Let's see how many come onto the market. Because we just don't know how the market will see this.
This started when people had access to easy credit and could buy watches that they couldn't otherwise afford, under the premise that they will always increase in value. It's a form of renting, and it's really perverted the watch collecting hobby.
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It used to be guys spending their disposable income on cool watches. Now it's guys "investing" their nest eggs in hopes that they get to wear an awesome watch while beating the market's return.
I’ve always loved the deepsea, and have constantly had one in my collection since 2011. As it is, I have every iteration of the modern ceramic sea dweller in my collection and feel a little disappointed that the deepseas have only had a re-vamp rather than bringing out a new model. The deepsea is 10 years old this year, so it can’t have been that bad, but I can’t see me wanting to add both iterations of the 126660 to my collection when the 116660 is so similar.
If they are buying watches on credit, they aren’t exactly spending their nest egg.
Mmm, yes, I know English words, and their meanings, I was querying the conceitedness of thinking that the evolution was somehow problematic. How dare those not so rich as I have access to the same pleasures, etc? Of course, the solution would be to be so rich that prices are immaterial, no matter how much they get pushed up by oiks indulging in treats they really don't deserve.
Let's see how many come onto the market. Because we just don't know how the market will see this.[/QUOTE]
My point exactly. No one knows.
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That new TT rose gold GMT is a belter too.
Agreed, beautiful watch.
126660 vs 116660
Better lighting seems the biggest change
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Also, the end links apparently don't stick out past the lugs any more.
The rolex emblem in the dial has spoilt it
As noted the bracelet is the biggest change, fitting better and by accounts not feeling flimsy with the watch head.
Also hands look new - minute hand is longer, hour hand bolder. Bezel triangle looks wider too. Thats what I can pick quickly from those pictures.
As ever with Rolex its little tweeks that improves things.
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https://www.rolex.com/watches/oyster...l#configurator
Actually it just dawned on me that this dial is in fact a new design in the 39mm range. Not a mixture of indices but all lummed one size.
Nothing on the web about these yet from what I can see.
This is very nice with the black sunburst dial. A smart, and cheaper alternative to the Explorer, Airking and Date Just models.
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