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  1. #651
    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff W View Post
    I was about to say the thing that stands out to me is Williams' choice! Bold.

    Yes, they appear to be going for something like a 6-stop strategy! Their pit crew are going to earn their money on race day.
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    Assume they'll run sims on Friday/Sat on the SS and Medium to see how long they're lasting, start on that, switch to...actually...that doesn't work for Sirtokin if they only have 1 set of the Soft and 2 sets of the Medium. Could be one stop to the Medium but that seems awfully risky.

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    This should be the race where the first major car updates occur. It will be interesting to see if it heralds any order change. I bet Mclaren will be under serious scrutiny to see if they can make any headway. Their problem is all the other teams will be hoping to make some kind of step forwards too.

  4. #654
    I was watching FlightRadar24 after the Baku GP, and all the private jets leaving Baku airport.

    Hamilton’s jet took off about an hour or so after the race finished, and landed in Nice about 4 hours later, in time to be in bed on the same day with a mug of cocoa.

    It’s interesting watching all the private jets and tracking the destinations after a GP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noTAGlove View Post
    I was watching FlightRadar24 after the Baku GP, and all the private jets leaving Baku airport.

    Hamilton’s jet took off about an hour or so after the race finished, and landed in Nice about 4 hours later, in time to be in bed on the same day with a mug of cocoa.

    It’s interesting watching all the private jets and tracking the destinations after a GP.
    Was that OE-IXI or has he changed aircraft?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PickleB View Post
    Was that OE-IXI or has he changed aircraft?
    He's had G-LCDH for a while now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeBird View Post
    He's had G-LCDH for a while now.
    Thanks for that.

    According to the CAA (link), LCDH was de-registered last year and passed over to Austria. Looking at their register (link) it became OE-IXI, operated by Laudamotion Executive GmbH. So yes, it's the same aircraft (Bombardier Inc. Canadair CL 600-2B16 #5904), but no longer 'British'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PickleB View Post
    Thanks for that.

    According to the CAA (link), LCDH was de-registered last year and passed over to Austria. Looking at their register (link) it became OE-IXI, operated by Laudamotion Executive GmbH. So yes, it's the same aircraft (Bombardier Inc. Canadair CL 600-2B16 #5904), but no longer 'British'.
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    Interesting, didn't realise it had been transferred over (not that I would really! ), from one boss' company to another is a rather coincidental position...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeBird View Post
    Interesting, didn't realise it had been transferred over (not that I would really! ), from one boss' company to another is a rather coincidental position...

    I'm sure that whatever the reason might be, there would be no tax-related implications. Or benefits. None whatsoever.
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    And the award for the ugliest new nose goes to McLaren.

  11. #661
    All is not well at Williams, it would appear. Dismal performances in today's Free Practice sessions (Robert Kubica drove in FP1 and was ultimately faster than both Sirotkin and Stroll), and the departure of their Chief Designer Ed Wood indicates that this will be a long season for anybody connected with the once-dominant team of the late 1980's and early 1990's.

    From Kubica's comments, the car lacks basic speed, and their two inexperienced drivers may lack the skills to develop it. The basic lack of speed probably explains the team's heavy bias towards the Supersoft tyre for this race - they're just desperately looking for any advantage that they can get.

    Paddy Lowe may already regret his move from Mercedes. He and Rob Smedley have a lot of weight on their shoulders right now.
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    Mercedes will be happy, but Ferrari and Redbull both showed pace, so it should be a good race tomorrow.

    I do however expect a bit of a "coming together" in to 1, 4 and 5. plus with Max right behind Vettel it should make it even more interesting. If Vettel tries to block Kimi, then Max could take them both.

    I imagine the teams will be reminding the first 6 drivers that to finish first, first they have to finish. I am sure this wil not be lost on LH after the 2016 race.

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    Stroll is becoming a joke, I'm assuming every time he crashes it daddy buys him a new one

  14. #664
    Did anyone else watch today's Formula2 race, virtual safety cars, safety cars, yellows, it's getting silly

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    Grosjean...???

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    Quote Originally Posted by PickleB View Post
    Grosjean...???
    Again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PickleB View Post
    Grosjean...???
    27.3..."Should a car leave the track the driver may re-join, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and..."


    Edit Those of you with replay should be able to see if he left the track:

    "Drivers will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with it and, for the avoidance of doubt, any white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not."


    Update "Driver and team representative are required to report to the Stewards" at 17h30 local...that's 16h30 BST.
    Last edited by PickleB; 13th May 2018 at 16:27.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PickleB View Post
    Grosjean...???
    Le Wankeur....

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    So did this years tyres suit the Ferrari but now they have been adjusted to suit all of the cars

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    Quote from Grosjean on BBC website..

    "I lost the rear end of the car tried to get the position back, but it didn't work. If I had braked, the car would have spun the same way.

    "It is quite a normal human reflex (to keep accelerating), once the car went on to the track it was very difficult."




    Did you not consider just lifting off ????

    You're an F1 seat cheat. Somebody else warrants that bit your @rse occupies.

  21. #671
    Quote Originally Posted by adrianw View Post
    Did anyone else watch today's Formula2 race, virtual safety cars, safety cars, yellows, it's getting silly
    Yes agree really spoiled it, they seemed really slow removing the cars as well.

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    Don’t know if anyone else spotted this but why was Magnussen shown the blue flags on the pit
    straight when Vettel was behind him, it was for position and looked like he let him past.
    In his current position guess he can’t afford to be hauled before the stewards for ignoring
    blue flags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reggie747 View Post
    You're an F1 seat cheat. Somebody else warrants that bit your @rse occupies.
    I think that's a tad unfair. If we discount today's "mishap" and his first full year in Formula 1 I think he's been doing ok, although somewhat outshone by K-mag so far this season. Stroll and Ericsson - now they definitely are seat cheats.

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    Stewards Decision Doc39 - R.Grosjean:

    No / Driver 8 - Romain Grosjean
    Competitor Haas F1 Team
    Time 15:13
    Session Race
    Fact Car 8 collided with Car 27 and Car 10
    Offence Involved in an incident as defined by Art 38.1 as defined by the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations.
    Decision 3 grid position penalty at the driver’s next event.
    (2 penalty points awarded, 5 points in total for the 12 month period)
    Reason The Stewards reviewed video evidence and heard from the driver of car 8, Romain Grosjean and the team representative.

    Car 8 was following Car 20 at the exit of Turn 2 when Car 20 had a momentary loss of control. Car 8 avoided Car 20 which caused him to loose control of the car to the left of the track at the entry to Turn 3. The driver explained to the Stewards that he felt that his momentum was going to carry him to the center of the track, and therefore made the decision to apply power in an attempt to cross to the right side of the track and get out of the way of the cars behind. However, while crossing he moved into the line of Cars 27 and Car 10, and all three cars were involved in a collision that took them out of the race.

    The driver stated to the Stewards that he made the decision to cross the track, trying to avoid the other cars and that he felt this was his best option. The Stewards found that while it is speculation as to where the driver’s car would have ended up had he chosen other alternatives, it is certain that while crossing the track in front of the following pack of cars, which he chose to do, that a collision occurred. Further, in reviewing the video, the Stewards found that the car was following the line on the left side of the track and was almost fully off the track, when he made the decision to cross it.

    The Stewards therefore chose to penalise the driver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reggie747 View Post
    Quote from Grosjean on BBC website..

    "I lost the rear end of the car tried to get the position back, but it didn't work. If I had braked, the car would have spun the same way.

    "It is quite a normal human reflex (to keep accelerating), once the car went on to the track it was very difficult."




    Did you not consider just lifting off ????

    You're an F1 seat cheat. Somebody else warrants that bit your @rse occupies.
    I didn't think it was normal practice, that when your back end is swinging away from you, to simply floor it, not unless he was trying to showoff with a Doughnut turn??
    Last edited by odyseus10; 13th May 2018 at 21:46.

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    Quote Originally Posted by odyseus10 View Post
    I didn't think it was normal practice, that when your back end is swinging away from you, to simply floor it, not unless he was trying to show with a Doughnut turn??
    I think that that would occasionally be a viable option, but not on the first lap with so many cars around you!
    Cheers..
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBKBABAB View Post
    Don’t know if anyone else spotted this but why was Magnussen shown the blue flags on the pit
    straight when Vettel was behind him, it was for position and looked like he let him past.
    In his current position guess he can’t afford to be hauled before the stewards for ignoring
    blue flags.
    Watching the replay, I don't think they were for Magnussen (or Vettel) but for the car (Bottas I think) exiting the pits. As per:

    37.1 During the race, drivers leaving the pit lane may only do so when the light at the end of the pit lane is green and on their own responsibility. A marshal with a blue flag and/or a flashing blue light, will also warn the driver if cars are approaching on the track.

  28. #678
    Quote Originally Posted by PickleB View Post
    Watching the replay, I don't think they were for Magnussen (or Vettel) but for the car (Bottas I think) exiting the pits. As per:

    37.1 During the race, drivers leaving the pit lane may only do so when the light at the end of the pit lane is green and on their own responsibility. A marshal with a blue flag and/or a flashing blue light, will also warn the driver if cars are approaching on the track.
    I just watched again and think you are correct although still think K-Mag jumped out of the way, but guess he wasn't going to really stay ahead for long
    and going to be careful at the momet.

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    Most excellent (said in the style of Bill and Ted with a bit of air guitar)

    In other News, Romain crashes, Kimi gets bugger all luck and Max hits another car - so no real change.

    Monaco next, so a proper snooze fest, but qualifying should be fun.
    Last edited by Andyg; 13th May 2018 at 19:36.

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    yep.....and more stuff for Grosjean to aim for ....just stay out of the harbour !

  31. #681
    Quote Originally Posted by Andyg View Post
    Most excellent (said in the style of Bill and Ted with a bit of air guitar)

    In other News, Romain crashes, Kimi gets bugger all luck and Max hits another car - so no real change.

    Monaco next, so a proper snooze fest, but qualifying should be fun.
    ...and I believe the Pit girls are back ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by odyseus10 View Post
    ...and I believe the Pit girls are back ???

    If so hopefully they will have a few boys, transgender and LBGTs as well just to make sure everyone who cares is kept happy.

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  33. #683
    Quote Originally Posted by Andyg View Post
    If so hopefully they will have a few boys, transgender and LBGTs as well just to make sure everyone who cares is kept happy.
    Better add Ponies and Bulls to the list then :)
    Last edited by odyseus10; 14th May 2018 at 06:56.

  34. #684
    Some thoughts:

    Good GP for Merc. The opening by Lewis were sublime and the sfatey care restart was pretty much perfect. Nice to see Bottas properly competitive too.

    Ferrari: Odd tactics and a car failure.

    Williams - oh dear, oh dear. Clearly the car isn't great but neither driver is covering themselves in glory.

    Romain - total idiot. As multiple commentators said he could have released the clutch to avoid blinding everyone with smoke. Ruined Hulk and Gasly's GP and robbed us of a potentially interesting 'best of the rest' scrap. Not sure the penalty fits the action given Sirotkin got the same for a racing incident rather than acting like a total bellend an endangering other drivers.

    Also looking at this I didn't realise Danny has already used 2 of every engine element 5 GPs in: https://www.fia.com/file/68088/download?token=i5hdBSOO
    Last edited by Geoff W; 14th May 2018 at 09:55.

  35. #685
    After a coupple of exciting races, I found the Spainish GP to be as dull as dishwater. It a shame that F1 has the capacity to be so dull on occasions.

  36. #686
    Race report and myth debunking from Mark Hughes:

    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/r...378YTL,112BI,1
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    Moving on, and next weekend sees the Formula 1 circus descend on the tiny Principality of Monaco, which, in today's safety-obsessed world, has no reason whatsoever to host a Grand Prix.

    No reason whatsoever other than the fact that the place reeks of money, and the sponsors love it, so the future of the race is pretty much secured.

    Tyre choices, and it appears that Pirelli's entire production run of the new-for-2018 Hypersoft has been snapped up:



    The other tyres are the "normal" versions, i.e. Pirelli have not supplied tyres with reduced contact patch depth for this race. Ferrari managed their tyres better than anybody else at the corresponding race last year, largely due to the Mercedes only apparent weakness of not being able to get their tyres into their operating window at both ends of the car simultaneously being exposed, and with the 2018 Ferrari and Mercedes showing similar, though less pronounced tendencies to their predecessors, this year's race could be a repeat, with the Red Bull also in the mix.

    As always, the weather will be critical to tyre performance, so Monaco could spring a surprise, especially if it's wet. And Romain Grosjean has been awarded a three-place grid penalty following the events of Barcelona.

    More later.
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    Been a bit quiet on this thread recently, my apologies. I missed the last race completely and still haven't seen it, I'm not entirely sure that I'll be able to watch Monaco on Sunday either. If I have to wait until Monday afternoon as I expect then avoiding all forms of media until then probably isn't going to happen. Oh well.

    I also need to catch up on the latest bits of gossip, rumour and fact/fiction from my usual F1 web sources, time just hasn't been on my side this last week or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardShark View Post
    Been a bit quiet on this thread recently, my apologies. I missed the last race completely and still haven't seen it, I'm not entirely sure that I'll be able to watch Monaco on Sunday either. If I have to wait until Monday afternoon as I expect then avoiding all forms of media until then probably isn't going to happen. Oh well.

    I also need to catch up on the latest bits of gossip, rumour and fact/fiction from my usual F1 web sources, time just hasn't been on my side this last week or so.

    Nothing of note except that Mercedes have asked a few questions regarding oil consumption and what constitutes the engine - specifically the Turbos.

    Looks as if these questions have been raised because of the smoke screen produced by Ferrari evertime they fire up and whether they have been stretching the rules. More here https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...il-rules-twist

    Also the FIA have amended the rules regarding wing mirrors on the halo after it was decided that Ferrari design actually was adding down force.

    Surprised that no one else mentioned these. 😀

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    Ferrari haven't taken the mirrors off, just removed the little winglets, Merc have requested clarification regarding oil burning, which must mean they think Ferrari are cheating. why isn't anyone jumping up and down about the Ferrari's smoking like old diesels when they start?

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    Pitpass has helpfully provided details of power unit component usage prior to Monaco:

    https://www.pitpass.com/61824/Monaco...-Unit-elements

    At this point in the season, teams have started to understand their cars, and their competitiveness or otherwise, and there has been much noise from Williams in this regard, as they appear to be staring down the barrel of a poor Championship result which will reduce their income for next year.

    The problem would appear to be a flaw with the design of the rear diffuser, which causes it to stall and lose effectiveness (and therefore downforce) upon sudden changes of direction, such as turning into a fast corner, which is exactly what their inexperienced drivers don't want - a sudden loss of downforce when they need it most. Having parted company with their Chief Designer only recently, it's hard to see how they can turn the situation around before it's too late. The diffuser produces at least 30% of the total downforce, and tends to be the starting point for the overall aerodynamic design, so the problem implies that a full redesign is needed, from the front wing backwards.

    Moving to other teams, and Toto Wolff is getting Mercedes' excuses for the weekend in early, given that the car is basically suffering from the same issues at tight low-speed circuits as last year's, and refusing to get all four tyres into their operating window at the same time. Qualifying will therefore be critical, as always at Monaco, which these days is a one-stop race, and overtaking around the narrow circuit usually requires the co-operation of the overtakee. Daniel Ricciardo's MO of "licking the stamp and sending it" may not prove as effective at Monaco as it did at China.

    Ferrari have changed their mirror fittings by removing the curved winglets which were used as locating points, although the mirrors remain in the same position. Contrary to the simplistic view expressed earlier, the mirrors do not generate downforce, but the winglets would have guided air towards the rear wing. The smoke generated on start-up continues to cause intrigue, and it's possible that Ferrari use oil under pressure to cool the turbocharger when the engine isn't running, and some of this oil remains in the turbo casing when the cooling process is complete. I'm only guessing here, but with only three turbocharger units for the season, it makes sense to look after them. The rules concerning oil usage specify the limit to which oil can be burned as fuel, i.e. ignited within the internal combustion engine.

    First and second practice take place tomorrow (Thursday) as is customary at Monaco.
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    Tyre choice looks interesting. The new Hypersoft, being used for the first time, is dominating the choice. Red Bull, Williams and Renault have taken 11 sets leaving only a single set of each of the Supersoft and Ultrasoft. So they literally only have the latter two as the race change set.

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    Has anyone been to Monza? Im thinking of either it or Spa for a trip this year.

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    No real surprises from today's sessions - in FP2 everybody set their fastest time on the Hypersoft tyre, which seems to grain quickly on a full fuel load, the left front suffering particularly badly.

    To put F1 2018 into perspective, according to David Croft on Sky McLaren were showing Ayrton Senna's mystical "out of body experience" qualifying lap, from the days when McLaren Honda were the dominant force on every circuit. That lap was some twelve seconds slower than Daniel Ricciardo's best lap in FP2 today, and although certain corners have been reprofiled some (swimming pool out, Nouvelle Chicane) are slower now.

    The Red Bull looks to be the car to have this weekend.
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    Another rich father buys a lump of an F1 team and then says he's not buying his son a ride, how long before Latifi is in the number two Maclaren seat

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrianw View Post
    Another rich father buys a lump of an F1 team and then says he's not buying his son a ride, how long before Latifi is in the number two Maclaren seat

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIA_Super_Licence
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    Quote Originally Posted by Backward point View Post
    It hasn't helped Williams, two pay drivers who cannot provide the set up information and feedback required to produce a competitive car, result........look where they are.

    On the criteria for the license I know several people who could qualify if the had the cash, but because they haven't they are racing in anything they can.
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