Reply With QuoteIWC? Who are they, then?
If you gather all IWC's various pilot watches into one, then they current have six lines at the moment....
Da Vince:
Porto Fino:
Portuguese:
Latest generation of Ingenieurs (the 4th generation? Harking back to the first, pre-Genta generation)
Various pilot lines:
Aquatimers:
So what's missing? Meijlinder, a member here and on plenty of other forums, sent me this photo earlier today of his latest arrival, from the previous generation (3rd? - an evolution of the Genta design) of Ingenieurs:
Whatever IWC's reasons for reverting to a pre-Genta design for the Ingenieur, it's left them pilots, a slightly left-field line of divers, four fairly dressy lines and nothing remotely like this.
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IWC? Who are they, then?
Imho : it could be a mistake to abandon the Genta design cues.
It gave the IWC range something distinctive & made them noticeably different.
It’s one reason the Ingenieur was on my wish list
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Looking at IWC's current range, the Big Pilot and a couple of the Portuguese are the only ones that hold any interest. It's a shame really
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Modern IWC: mostly bland or ugly. They were so much better circa 2000. That top one is interesting though. I almost sort of like it.
Apart from the FA Jones, Portuguese Yacht club and the Aquatimer 2000 I'm struggling to like anything in the range now
4th pic and the diver look best to my eyes in that line up
It's just a matter of time...
I bought an IW500705 7 Day Auto as for me they are the best IWC watch and strikingly beautiful to look at. For the price point I could have had many alternatives, but I just fell for it completely upon sight.
The Mark XVIII is a hit for me too, but as I have a Speedbird III I can't see the point in paying fortunes for a very similar result.
The other designs leave me a little cold and are likely to never interest me. Certainly wouldn't hurt them to introduce something fresh.
Sorry, forgot to include the names of the lines. Have edited it now. That 4th one is from the new line up of IngenieursOriginally Posted by Omegamanic
3227-01. My favourite
Last edited by trident-7; 14th October 2017 at 14:29.
I do like some of the older IWCs, but not as keen on the current line up
I agree the Genta style Ingenieur was very much it’s own distinct animal.
The pre Genta style Ingenieur they are now doing seems a bit ‘could be anything’
Omega really thrash any competition if it’s pure magnetic resistance. So a dull looking antimagnetic watch is a risk for them.
I’d have kept the Ingenieur as it was and maybe done a real retro piece as an LE and played around with a modern interpretation of their old Yacht Club 3 hander.
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I had the AMG ingenieur and the pilots chronograph and really enjoyed them .wish I still had them
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I was after an Ingy for a while & very pleased I eventually settled on this one...
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Yep, Eddie's is a better watch.
The first time I became aware of the Ingys was when I was sat next to one of these on the Tube. I had several stops happy staring at itI was after an Ingy for a while & very pleased I eventually settled on this one...
zIt had been totally beaten up and still looked fantastic.
It seems like I am/will be in the minority here, but that's nothing new, but I really like the look of the new Ingenieur.
Don't you think other manufacturers do titanium better? IWC's always looks as if it's cast, not machined, and just a bit ... er ... rough.The first time I became aware of the Ingys was when I was sat next to one of these on the Tube. I had several stops happy staring at it
Thank you
It's just a matter of time...
I always preferred the IWC titanium finish, in comparison to other brands, particularly as, in my experience, it keeps its appearance so well. I understood that they use a hardening process, which certainly seems to work, and I assumed that this process also produced the 'grainy' appearance of the titanium. My favourite IWC remains the titanium version of the GST chrono, but I also very much like the 3227.01 Ingenieur.
I like their pilot watches - better than the Rolex attempt at a pilot!!
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I, really, really, really like this, like, a lot.
But reading reviews, there are some snarky remarks about the movement in a polite, watch review sort of way.
I know I can get the same movement / complication in similar watches from brands I'd never heard of 'till I googled the movement.
But that dial . . . . .
Is the movement not a million miles away from the one used in speedys ?
(been wrong before, that's why I ask)
Best price I've seen online is about 3800 gbp, am I likely to get close to that coming through an airport in the UK?
It does come across a bit 'rough' but it's done well and I think it's the style of IWC. personally I feel IWC do Ti better than most.
Though I'm a bit biased!
The date placement on that watch is just brutal. It's literally halfway from the center to the edge.I, really, really, really like this, like, a lot.
But reading reviews, there are some snarky remarks about the movement in a polite, watch review sort of way.
I know I can get the same movement / complication in similar watches from brands I'd never heard of 'till I googled the movement.
But that dial . . . . .
Is the movement not a million miles away from the one used in speedys ?
(been wrong before, that's why I ask)
Best price I've seen online is about 3800 gbp, am I likely to get close to that coming through an airport in the UK?
It's been a problem with the newer IWCs - small movement/big watch syndrome.
I believe the movement is a 7750 or a variant of it like in my ingenieur. Personally it doesn't bother me being a 'basic' movement. It's the package that counts.
However done a bit poorly here.
Bremont really suffers for it as well. I think it's the day that really makes it look excessively close. The mark 18 is too close as well, but not nearly as bad as the day date vj7750s.
The bracelet and clasp on these IWCs are superb. Better than modern Rolex.
There is an obsessive nature of manufactures adding dates in watches where it looks odd because there is market data showing they need it. Look at my ingenieur, well balanced without a date!
As for the bracelet - yes they're nice, but no damn micro adjustment and it's pot luck if you even can get a half link (and cannot order one). So I ended up needing to buy the strap (and buckle) for stupid money. Now it fits perfectly, but still hurting about the cost!
I was referring to the newer bracelets with the GO style adjustable clasp. My mark xv bracelet sits in a drawer.
I the IWC bracelet has a micro adjustment.
I personally think the day date balances the second hand i.e. it is exactly opposite in the same position.
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Yep sorry, misread which version you were mentioning. Incidentally while passing through Dubai airport yesterday I managed to try the new GO chrono on the bracelet. Best bracelet ever.
Personally I am a fan of IWC.
My Aquatimer something different from the norm.
My only IWC now, is my BP ,but I've been through a few, not much apart from the new portuguese Annual Calender in the range that attracts me to be honest. What's more disappointing from a personal view is the customer service with IWC which needs serious attention in my opinion .
The only iwc i liked was the genta-esque ingenieur. The new one is nondescript to say the least.
The rest seem to be a bit dinner plate.
Even with the Genta ones, they went super oversized too. The versions after my one with the in-house movements are absolutely massive. And in steel the ingenieurs are super heavy.
^^^Nice BP btw - still on my list to try.
I still miss my Aquatimer 2000/3536, what a good looking diver that was.
Sold it before they became collectable :(
Their latest divers are just a shadow of what they produced in those days.
Got a new watch, divers watch it is, had to drown the bastard to get it!
I quite fancy the xv111 pilot watch. The one thing that makes me pause is the movement. There seems confusion over whether it is an eta 2892 movement or a Sellita . Anyone know the truth of this?
Does it matter if ETA or Sellita?
Given the ETA limitations I can imagine they're trying to transit to Sellita, but again does it matter?
You're quite right about the bloat. The 500,000 a/m 3521 is imo the nicest. And still looked chunky at 34mm
iwc give separate calibre numbers to Sellita and ETA movements, so there shouldn't be any confusion once you've the proper specs in front of you.
Was it the initial PR announcement that gave incorrect information?
Some reviews called it an eta 2982, modified, others referred to a 'Sellita' movement. It is listed as 30110 movement on the IWC site, which seems to mean it is an eta based movement.
Does it matter? I don't know; but eta have a far longer history, and quite an illustrious one really. Sellita doesn't.
That's true, it came into existence more due to circumstance than anything else and architecture wise they seem quite similar.
Though IWC keep saying they strip all standard movements and do their 'IWC thang' so it shouldn't matter. Obviously that's assuming you buy into the IWC marketing
I like this one also and can live with all the criticisms that others have made on this thread.I, really, really, really like this, like, a lot.
But reading reviews, there are some snarky remarks about the movement in a polite, watch review sort of way.
I know I can get the same movement / complication in similar watches from brands I'd never heard of 'till I googled the movement.
But that dial . . . . .
Is the movement not a million miles away from the one used in speedys ?
(been wrong before, that's why I ask)
Best price I've seen online is about 3800 gbp, am I likely to get close to that coming through an airport in the UK?
For a few years they haven't been able to meddle with the ETA movements as they used to, but have been obliged to use them as they come. The 30110 is in the XVI and XVII as well.That's true, it came into existence more due to circumstance than anything else and architecture wise they seem quite similar.
Though IWC keep saying they strip all standard movements and do their 'IWC thang' so it shouldn't matter. Obviously that's assuming you buy into the IWC marketing
The sellita movement is called the 35111, and is used in the 36mm Pilot (released at the same time as the Mark XVIII iirc, hence the initial confusion as to what movement was in what watch)
It is a SW300 (a 2892 clone) modified by Sellita to IWC's requirements (what those are, I've no idea)
I love GO. It's a shame my wrist is so small that bigger German style dress watches are enormous in me.
I sold mine after they stopped being collectible. That's still the highest quality watch I've ever owned, and I've had very many nice watches in the $10,000 or less range.
What a vanilla world you seek. Try WUS. Everyone loves everything on there.
Jup an issue with GO, but maybe their differentiator from Lange and co.
The new chrono is quite thick, but wore quite well on the wrist. Overall a lovely, lovely watch!
I'm happy here and also happy to disagree with your opinion.
My Big Pilot 5002. Fish Crown
Last edited by trident-7; 19th October 2017 at 00:08.
My appologies. I read your initial post as that you could do without the criticism.
Sorry again.
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