Any vintage Longine experts?

[SteveHarris]

A friend of mine has asked me to help sell his watch but I'm not much of expert on these! Can anyone point me in the right direction?

It needs a service as you can see. Date wheel doesn't work and when winding the crown it feels a bit stuff but runs fine.



This is not a covert sales post and any PM's asking to buy it will be ignored!

Thanks,

Steve

[mr.chef]

Not an expert but with the movement needing a service and the rather badly redone dial it won't be worth ver much and if solid gold most likely scrap value.

A friend of mine has asked me to help sell his watch but I'm not much of expert on these! Can anyone point me in the right direction?

It needs a service as you can see. Date wheel doesn't work and when winding the crown it feels a bit stuff but runs fine.



This is not a covert sales post and any PM's asking to buy it will be ignored!

Thanks,

Steve

[SteveHarris]

I'm not sure what you mean with the dial but it may look badly done as the glass is scratched. It's warped some of the dial a bit.

[mr.chef]

It defiantly looks to be a redone as the text is very thick.

[BernardF]

Would you have a picture of the movement?

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[SimonK]

The word 'Longines' doesn't appear to be central under the 12 index.

[walkerwek1958]

Parts availability can be a real headache for old Longines watches. The fact that the date doesn't work is a worry, it doesn't just need a service it potentially needs a repair........ there is a difference!

As for the dial, I think the text looks a bit thick but I don't see that as a huge negative ( unlike some) This is never going to be a particularly valuable watch so a refinished dial will have minimal effect.......the alternative would probably have been been a scruffy dial that looked a mess.

Putting a value on a non-runner is always difficult......... and we don'tknow the case material either!

Paul

[SteveHarris]

Thank you guys. I'll get the back off tonight and have a look. It's had a new caseback at some point too which appears to be SS.

Steve

[walkerwek1958]

Thank you guys. I'll get the back off tonight and have a look. It's had a new caseback at some point too which appears to be SS.

Steve

If it's a SS caseback the case will be either gold plate or gold-capped.....or at least it should be! I`ve had some excellent gold plated and gold capped watches on the bench but generally they tend to be knocked around and the gold is usually worn through on the edges. I have a couple of gold capped Omegas in this state that I bought for parts a couple of years back, unless the gold's in really nice condition the market for them is limited.

Paul

[SteveHarris]

Sorry for lack of reply gents. Taken a couple of photos. Quality isn't great as it was difficult to try and capture properly. Can give it another go if needed though.





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[Lampoc]

I have to start by saying that I am in no way an expert, but that movement looks pretty rough and nothing at all like what I'd expect to find in a vintage Longines.

[SteveHarris]

I literally have no idea. As above there was a bit of a discussion on the dial, so I'm now concerned this may not be the real deal!

[Der Amf]

Please could you tell us what it says on the movement? I can't read it in the photo.

I'm no expert neither but this movement is kind of what I was expecting from the dial and case.

[mr.chef]

If this watch was on Ebay with these photos I would assume it was an outright fake. What does it say on the movement?

[SteveHarris]

I'll take the back off again tonight. I made a note and now can't find it...

Steve

[me32dc]

Not a Longines.
Movement isn't & the case doesn't look right. Also the glass and dial look so wrong.

[alfat33]

Does this help at all?



15 Jewels
Unadjusted
Swiss Made
??????

Just my guess

[mr.chef]

The movement should say longines, should have a cal number and movement number. What was on the inside case back?

[Lampoc]

It looks like a Baumgartner 582 cheap-as-chips pin lever escapement. In other words, that is a fake Longines. Sorry dude.



http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...ner_582_DIGCLD

[SteveHarris]

It looks like a Baumgartner 582 cheap-as-chips pin lever escapement. In other words, that is a fake Longines. Sorry dude.



http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...ner_582_DIGCLD

I'll pop it off tonight just to confirm but it does indeed look very similar! No need to feel sorry for me... it's not mine but a friends. Looks like I'll have to break it to him - gently!

Steve

[SteveHarris]

OK had to read it under a loupe but it says:-

Seventeen Jewels
Unadjusted
Swiss Made
21 600 A/h
Ilona Ltd
GP

Case back is stamped Ilona Ltd too.

Fake then?

[Carlton-Browne]

There's nothing to suggest that Ilona is a Longines sub-brand so I'd say it's a fake.

http://www.mikrolisk.de/show.php?sit...rk#sucheMarker

[SteveHarris]

Thanks CB. I'll let him know!

Steve