Reply With QuoteGoes without saying....Originally Posted by Dm1672
In all seriousness though, I'd never drive a fake watch, it's just too dangerous!
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Dont forget to check the oil
Goes without saying....
In all seriousness though, I'd never drive a fake watch, it's just too dangerous!
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Nope. Omega are part of Swatch and Swatch own ETA therefore they are all part of the same company, but before Swatch got involved with Omega, Omega used Omega movements.
So a purist Omega fan could, in their opinion say that Omegas fitted with an ETA movement are not true Omegas. Much like a true Mini fan would argue that a genuine Mini was built by Austin and that the current BMW mini is a piece of crap.
But if an omega is fitted with an ETA, does it make it the same as a Blancpain, Panerai, Tissot, etc, etc, etc?
Its a bit like champagne bottled in the champagne region which was made using grapes from Italy.
Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not to hit it at all.
Friedrich Nietzsche
The V10 engine is also used by VW, Audi and Lamborghini. I imagine the floor pan is also used elsewhere.
So its a bitsa.
Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not to hit it at all.
Friedrich Nietzsche
It's a w12 engine actually in the Continental.
It was. It's now a 4.0L V8.
V8 is an option
V10 never was
Some say "to-may-to"...
Sonoma bi*ches! Name and shame.Nope. Omega are part of Swatch and Swatch own ETA therefore they are all part of the same company, but before Swatch got involved with Omega, Omega used Omega movements.
So a purist Omega fan could, in their opinion say that Omegas fitted with an ETA movement are not true Omegas. Much like a true Mini fan would argue that a genuine Mini was built by Austin and that the current BMW mini is a piece of crap.
But if an omega is fitted with an ETA, does it make it the same as a Blancpain, Panerai, Tissot, etc, etc, etc?
Its a bit like champagne bottled in the champagne region which was made using grapes from Italy.
Fas est ab hoste doceri
I make sure I buy all my swiss watches in Switzerland only. Once you use foreign currency to pay, the line is crossed.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
I use to want one, but now it's real all the way, no replicas for me!
I once found out the so called Swiss man who made my watch had German parents. Needless to say the piece was immediately returned in disgust....
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Yes, each to their own.
Let's not mention that the founders of Patek Phillippe were Polish and French.
There certainly has.
I took a look at part of the thread linked by the OP, was interesting to see the 'real world' view on luxury watches/fakes etc
Cheers
Surely you cant compare the experience buying a premium branded watch to buying a replica. The box, papers, delivery, weight of the piece etc all add into something imo you wont feel about a replica.
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The whole thing is a farce!!
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I remember reading on another forum, someone building a Frankenstein Breiting. They bought genuine, bracelet, crystal, bezel, hands, dial and movement. The only thing that was fake was the case.
Now the interesting thing was that the owner of this watch went to an AD and got a set of papers citing that the watch was authentic!
So this person assembled this watch got proof of authenticity and it was still way still way cheaper than buying the real thing.
Of course I have no way of knowing if this is true or not
Buy a handful, leave them in a cheap watch box in your master-bedroom. Hide the real ones in the garage........................
And go on holiday - without a worry :)
Are you sure it wasn't yourself?
Pretty sure it wasn't me :)
Oh ok. I must be getting confused with the other fake/franken Breitlings that you put together.
Let's not forget that Rolex started out in London too! 🇬🇧
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Yes I think you are
There are advantages in wearing a fake watch..
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbi...esigner-watch/
Maybe you could sell him another one?
Does every burglar search the master bedroom until a haul of luxury watches have been uncovered?
They'd be looking forever in my house.
Dont you mean fake?
Threads like this serve a useful purpose in identifying candidates for the "treat with caution" and "ignore" lists.
Which Patek models use FP movements?
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Treat everyone with caution - they are all at various stages of mental illness ;)
It's just a matter of time...
Bit late to this but interesting thread so here goes.
First off, I mostly agree with Brendan. There was a time when a Swiss maker made the whole watch or at least the vast majority of it. They may well have bought in components even in those days but probably to their own specification. It's part of the reason I collect old watches.
Then came the near collapse of the Swiss Watch industry and the emergence of the mighty Swatch group. It's easy enough to Google the brands owned by Swatch and to figure out that (just like VAG) there are a lot of common parts used in watches with different brand names. Your Hamilton and your Omega are not so different under the surface , just like your Skoda and your Audi.
Let me also remind people that Brendan didn't mention movements but rather used the word ebauche. There is a difference, a lot of manufacturers add a level of customisation to the ebauche they buy in, of course that might be confined to some fancy engraving but sometimes it's small improvements to the basic movement as well.
The question then is what are you paying for? If the engine in your watch is the same engine as a watch costing half the price? Is the bracelet or case twice as good? Maybe you think that it is. That's the great thing about choice and might explain why I choose Audi over Skoda, but I don't kid myself about the components under the bonnet.
Oddly the flip side of this is my disposal, bit by bit, of almost every ETA powered watch I'd accumulated before I started to understand the structure of the industry. They are slowly being replaced with watches with different movements. Although I'm pretty lazy about moving the last few on.
Last edited by aldfort; 20th August 2017 at 12:13.
Sorry to say that you totally missed the point of the post and what you have said is mostly rubbish.
The Omega Speedmaster uses Lemania movements since 1957 and Panerai used Rolex and Angelus movements since WWII. Its not a thing of recent and it does not make them lesser Omega's or Panerai's in my book.
But as a VP member of a fake watch site - surely you can fill us in a bit more about the process?
What about your golden rule - want to tell us more about that?
My golden rule is not to get a rep of a GEN that would cost more than a few £1000's. So basically, Omega's, IWC's, Breitling so never £10000's reps like philippe patek, Hublot etc
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Thank you for your comments Aldfort.
I did not reply to this post to berate the Swiss watch Industry, and my use of the word 'fake' was meant in the broadest possible terms.
ETA movements are on the whole pretty damn good as are Frédéric Piguet. I work on them every day.
It has made good sense for the Swiss to streamline movement production. The whole industry will profit from that.
I guess what annoys me is that independents played a great part in supporting the industry when times were hard.
Then they chose to let us all down.
We still survive even when Companies restrict parts for their home grown indies as well.
One should not assume that all watches which go back to the manufacturers are serviced in house.
They are not.
There are many indies in CH who take work on for them because of the sheer volume and waiting times. I know a couple in the Vallee Joux who fix for JleC and AP. Others in Neuchatel and St Imier.
In the70s Rolex UK would open case backs for indies here before they could buy a Rolex case opening tool and they supplied parts too.
They would even comment on the quality of work !
Not now sadly.
The watches produced in CH are in the vast majority a pleasure to work on and of superb precision.
Don't sell all your ETA's thinking that they are not.
Times change I suppose. It's no longer economical in CH to tool up new calibres for many low volume manufacturers.
Much more efficient to centralise ebauche manufacture.
But in my view very short sighted to restrict the supply of spare parts both for their own indies as well as those worldwide.
PS: Rajen is obviously a *oro*
Brendan
Last edited by Webwatchmaker; 20th August 2017 at 14:29.
No it didn't, Rolex trademark was registered in 1908 in Switzerland.
Hans Wilsdorf first started making watches in London! He also dreamed up the name Rolex whilst still in London (even though he was importing the movements from Switzerland).
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...and William Tell invented the lever escapement....
Brendan
Ok, so what Ebauche do FP supply to Patek, for which watches, and which Patek calibres are they?
It's just a matter of time...
That is better. But Rolex was established in Switzerland. Hans Wilsdorf was not.
It's just a matter of time...
Google FP+PP
Brendan
I did?
It's just a matter of time...
It's just a matter of time...
I'm sure everyone else on here knows what 'ebauche' means but I didn't so here it is for the other dunderheads
https://www.watch-wiki.net/index.php...auche_movement
That is a good point you mention, no one would think to call fakers snobs, plenty of other words are usually used first, but in a way they are.
Brand whores probably better describes them
The number of fake LV handbags!!!
Polynesian god? I Think not somehow but I could be wrong.
Still have a few ETA equipped watches. I'm just trying not to have 2 of anything with essentially the same movement in my collection. Still have 2 with 7750's inside them though.
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