On another forum I use there's an interesting thread about replica watches, including some pictures of some (genuine looking to me) watches. Always surprises me how many people want them, personally I don't see the point.
http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showthread.php?t=181869
This ^Originally Posted by Dave+63
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
FTFY.
Yes too many fakes about that look like the real thing!
Some guy tried to sell me a fake Rolex, little did he know that I know a bit about watches, I told him to stick his "comex" were the sun don't shine!
Lead balloon.
Ton of s**t.
Double this
re: bswatch.cn link some of those look far too good for cheap reps, I'll bet the pics aren't legit. I've owned a couple many years ago, they were OK but never feel special as you know they're not the real deal.
Uh-oh.
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Hmmmmmm.....
Ah, oh dear. Perhaps a bit of a mis-judgement on my part.
Not sure I can delete the thread, and if I delete my initial post it'll look like I started a thread with something terribly trolling and deleted it to save face.
Apologies to all.
I don't see the problem discussing this subject. Just talking about doesn't mean one will be tempted to rush out and buy. This isn't 'fight club' (no, belay that, I've just remembered the 911 thread)
Tbh any info that will prevent someone being stitched up over a replica watch or anything false for that matter is useful.
I find some of these so-called 'homage watches' a bit bizarre fwiw.
Top tip - only people who actually buy fakes call them replicas - it's not a term who only buy the real thing use.
I looked at the site in your link and now I feel like I should have a shower. Some of them look very real and that just makes it even dirtier.
It is all wrong , just imagine though five weeks or five months down the line ...weird rotor noises, being out by seconds then minutes eventually hours. It's a pity as aesthetically people will look at pieces such as the comex, the original explorer and mil sub and be tempted on pure aesthetics. It's a sin, a real dirty sin by these manufacturers pulling on people's interest -such is the counterfeit business
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Thank you. Well I've never bought a fake, and never will.
I think I should just leave this thread and hope it quietly dies. I genuinely wasn't trying to start a trolling thread, apologies.
I agree with Harry Smith (above), of course we should be able to discuss them.
Some of the crap though .. rolex sub Tiffany edition, rolex sub mastermind edition - ridiculous
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Homage will be coming next
If one wanted to be absolutely purist, one could argue that many of today's watches are fakes. I mean do Omega make their own movements ? Or Patek ? Or Breitling ? Or IWC ?
Many others.
You are buying their name. Not their product.
Brendan
I think you are muddying the waters unnecessarily. You can argue about what goes into an Omega, but the Omega was either made by Omega, or it was made by someone else and labelled as an Omega. Omega has the right to do that the other doesn't. The first is a genuine Omega, the second is a fake. It really is that simple.
Now, if you have an issue with what goes into an Omega made by Omega, that's an entirely different discussion.
What I'm saying is that Omega use ETA movements. Not Omega movements.
That's all.
Take it or leave it.
Brendan
My Replay jeans have a YKK zip, does that make them fake?
And don't start me on the VAG engine in my VW van...
Some of these fake watches contain swiss made ETA movements, the same as Tudor and many others. I'm surprised there has never been a fake Tudor or maybe there has.
That doesn't make it a fake though.
If you want to take it to the ultimate then If you make a part for a movement that's otherwise unavailable then that could more correctly be called fake!
Read this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_made
Brendan
Does it make it Omega ?
Brendan
I know what you're saying. What I'm saying is that if a watch is made by Omega, it's not fake.
And if it's not made by Omega, but pretends to be, it's a fake.
This is pretty much the exact definition of what "fake" means.
No need to be prickly, I am disagreeing with you in a perfectly civil manner.That's all.
Take it or leave it.
Wait, are you saying that because Omega put ETA movements in their watches, that somehow makes fakes OK?
Because that is what it seems you are arguing, and yet I know you to be obviously way too smart to believe that.
One of the 'best' fakes out there is the Pelagos.
I don't know why people get their knickers in a twist about linking to this stuff. The post I quoted here says people really need to be checking this info out IMO. I like to keep abreast of it all myself, think it's good to know how astute you need to be about it.
I think people would be surprised how good some of these are now. And I'm not talking about the rubbish ones people use on YouTube videos to show the differences!
I understand that. Sorry if I sounded prickly. Unintended.
I haven't got the energy to get into an argument. All I'm saying is that Omega are selling their brand, as are many others, without making all the components. Even assembling their watches in China with Chinese components.
I did say 'if you want to be purist'.
I'm not criticising the industry for trying to save money.
Only 60% of a Swiss watch needs to be Swiss for it to be called Swiss Made.
That's what I mean by take it or leave it.
It's a fact.
Brendan
Fakes are never ok.
They depress the genuine industry.
But don't think that the Swiss don't use many Asian components in their watches. From movement parts and dials to cases and bracelets.
They just don't tell you !!
Brendan
Yes, they're the rules rightly or wrongly.
It still doesn't make them fakes. The definition of a fake has been stated twice already and an Omega with an ETA movement 40% manufactured in China is still a genuine Omega.
I still don't see the point you're trying to make.
Your ultimate loss then !
Brendan
Not really as I've no interest in buying a new Omega anytime soon.
I'm just trying to understand what your issue is. The situation hasn't changed in a number of years.
Do you know why 'Swiss Made' appears on Swiss watches ?
I'm going to bed.
Look it up.
Bon nuit !
Brendan
That's a different issue and is straying from the original point.
Omega by definition cannot make fake Omegas.
Total BS,sorry
Friday evening and alcohol,it seems.
You are totally out of line and incorrect.
I am sure tomorrow morning you will regret these.
I don't drink alcohol.
You on the other hand are presumptuous and dismissive of the facts.
Brendan
Because they comply with the rules that make them "Swiss made" Otherwise, they would not be allowed to do so.
As others have said, you seem to be talking about an entirely different topic.
My take on the matter.
Original - manufactured and sold by the original retailer.
OEM - manufactured by the original supplier and identical to that supplied to the original retailer.
Fake = something made using aftermarket and/or non original parts and then sold with the intention to fool a punter.
Homage - something which is designed to look like an original item, but not sold as an original.
Replica - a facsimile of an original, which may or may not contain original/OEM parts but not sold as a original.
Counterfeit - see Fake.
Personally I only have an issue with fakes and counterfeits.
Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not to hit it at all.
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So if Patek sold a "budget watch" with a Seiko movement in it you would still think it was Patek?
Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not to hit it at all.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Anything bearing a manufacturers logo but not made by the manufacturer is a fake.
When I've seen people refer to Replicas they're fakes.
When they refer to homages then it's typically a copy of the design but without the manufacturers logo.
Yes, if it were made and sold by Patek.
Are you saying that a watch made by Omega with an ETA movement isn't an Omega?
I bought a fake white faced explorer2 what must be 14ish years ago. I never use it but it starts with a shake and I believe it has an ETA movement in it. Super smooth seconds hand and winding too, so not all are rubbish.
Bought before I thought I shouldn't!!
'Swiss Made' was forced on the Swiss watch makers by American Customs because the Swiss were making inferior fake copies of American watches back in the 1920's.
At that time most Swiss makers were still knocking out cylinder escapements.
Brendan
No apology for your rudeness ?
Hold on to your ignorance, you may need it sometime. (A Quiet Passion 2016)
Brendan
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