Reply With QuoteI agree, it has long since passed its sell by date and the playing field should be level as regards it competing with other providers.
It's now time that this once great corporation is allowed to die. The stupid buggers that run it have only gone and ruined the coverage of 4th golf major of the year the USPGA. Up until recently this was shown on Sky with extensive coverage shown over the 4 days of the championship. Now it seems that because the BBC lost the broadcasting rights for the Open they have fought and won the rights for the USPGA, but instead of making the most of it todays coverage is a 1hr highlights show starting at 1:15pm. This can't be good value for the license payer and it's a piss poor service for those wanting to watch and is another example of how out of touch the BBC are.
I agree, it has long since passed its sell by date and the playing field should be level as regards it competing with other providers.
Volkswagen have a major this year?
I'm watching the golf now on the BBC via the red button
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I'm sick of bloody sport on the tv. Every time some minor league bollocks starts up like wimbledon, world athletics or some such they cut our favorites like Eggheads and Pawn Stars. I thought all this sky stuff was supposed to cover it. Then the so-called bbc have to ruin breakfast tv with their 20 minute sport blurb every half hour. No wonder I end up watching ufo's and conspiracies on yootoob.
Btw, I'm no couch cabbage.
Can't care less about golf, but per capita cmplulsory subsidies of the government sock puppet broadcaster has to go. Alongside hereditary chamber of midearthlings.. Can't make that s up..
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Its also on the iplayer which I've also got on my fire stick which is at least showing it in HD.
As is the case on all three US Majors the UK network take feed from host US nation but the BBC isn't doing itself any favours with their red button/iplayer coverage tbh.
Sky golf execs must be seething. Who knows how long the Beebs deal with PGA is but I hope it improves next year
Agreed, but you aren't forced by law to pay an annual subscription to watch their sh!te......
"Golf is a good walk ruined."
Someone once said.
Frankly, I'm indifferent to it. I don't want to watch hours and hours of it, in the same way I don't want the schedules clogged up with cricket.
So clever my foot fell off.
The BBC will film anything that is cheap to film. It's all down to budget. That's why they have cameras running continuously when there are natural disasters, acts of terrorism etc. BBC entertainment has died. Perhaps the BBC should go with it?
Here we go again...
So, what's the alternative? The shit C4 and ITV (mostly, both have the odd exception) put on or paying shed loads for Sky's 90% rubbish (unless you're obsessed with bat and ball sports or Formula Bore, but that's extra, extra, of course..)?
Oh, wait, stream everything off Netflix or Amazon Prime or, no wait, I need both and Sky! Oh, and there's nothing on that isn't from America... Oh well, it's quality - Tits and Dragons and Middle American drug barons, we can all relate to that, can't we...?
Maybe the licence should go and be optional (if that's possible) if you watch BBC output, but it's still a lot better than a hell of a lot of what's on.
I couldn't care less if they show Golf personally and I bet most people don't, so I can't get too upset about their 'poor' coverage to be honest.
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Dump your tv's, buy a decent small projector, connect to a firestick, chrome cast, games consol, phone or computer, and stream movies, box sets etc
No less choice really, but makes you way more discerning about what you watch, and also frees up so much time, you won't know what to do with it.
We did this about 3 years ago and havent looked back. Not easy at first, but gets easy quickly, so much so it's hard not to be evangelical about it. So I will stop there :)
This is of course in your opinion.
I agree that golf has a minority interest. My understanding is that the PGA of America took the decision to take golf away from Sky to make it more accessible via streaming etc. and thus try to broaden the appeal of the game. Fair enough but after watching last nights coverage it was enough to send me to sleep, this from an ardent golf nut.
If you're going to bid to broadcast a sporting event then at least do a decent job when you get it.
Maybe more discerning, maybe less adventurous?
Movies and box sets are fine, but not what I want to watch all the time.
Stuff like Alexander Armstrong's series on what's beneath Italian cities, the programmes on the Galapagos or Life On Earth or the current series on Utopia aren't likely to register on streaming services, even assuming I've plumped for the right one(s). They might be there, but how would I ever find them if I didn't know I was looking for them?
I enjoy some American drama series, but I don't want to watch nothing but and I've seen few really good films in the last 10 years, certainly few that I'd want to pay specifically to watch.
It's clear that lots of people do like to consume their video entertainment this way now and maybe I'm just old and set in my ways, but I enjoy waiting a week to see what will happen next and I enjoy discovering unexpected gems on subjects I'd probably never have thought about looking for.
I can understand people who don't watch live TV being miffed at paying the licence fee, but I don't see how that equates to the BBC being a bad thing? Fund it differently, if need be, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
As others have said, the US is a great example of how awful TV can be notwithstanding the odd good series here and there and this is where we'll go if commercialism is ALL that drives programming... (Witness the dumbing down of C4 from an alternative cultural channel to one that shows people showing off whilst pretending to watch TV and has taken the lame old dating show model and added nudity... ho hum...)
Of course, I can't speak on anyone else's behalf, but I think that ship sailed in post 1
I see your point on broadcasting sporting events as best you can, but golf is hardly being singled out here... and the BBC isn't unique in paying lip service to sporting events they cover either.
Sports get to a wider audience on many of the terrestrial channels, but they often get 30 minute or 1 hour highlight programmes rather than in depth live coverage.
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I guess my point was, when the box isn't just sitting there you don't tend to switch it on when you have half an hour spare, and either flick through a million channels, or watch something that you otherwise wouldn't.
Also, it's hard not to be able to find something online, whether it's YouTube, vimeo etc or using hardware like a Kodi box. Like the print media, the writing is on the wall for broadcast TV in their current guise. Viewer numbers for organisations like the BBC are tanking, and I suspect that this will snowball as the generation that grew up only knowing broadcast TV channels dies off. It would seem there answer is more populist broadcasting, like the faux reality shows that are so popular. Shame really, but out with the old and in with the new.
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you lost me at the word golf
It's a point of view, but from talking to other people, they'll binge watch box sets - I'll watch an episode of what's on once a week.
I think the 'couch potato' syndrome is similar whether you watch a 30 minute comedy or the news or something different, however you consume it.
My point about finding unexpected gems, is that there are plenty of programmes I'd have no idea about, but which the BBC (and other regular style, including Sky for example, channels) show and which I pick up.
I don't randomly trawl Google for new subjects to read up on, any search is either an area of interest I already have or spurred by something - Seems to me it's harder to do that when you have to actively look for something and the same would apply to programming.
You could be right about it being a generational change, but looking at the output of hollywood, for example, there's nothing to suggest that 'popularist me-too' programming is something unique to mainstream TV channels.
It's all remakes, sequels and 'universes' these days, with rarely a new idea to be seen! That's not going to change with the delivery mechanism.
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Agreed. But I think this may change as we start to see video 'socially' curated, or programmed, in the same way that we are seeing with audio- Spotify playlists, for example.
I guess we live in a chainging world, and its hard for some of these mediums to adapt sufficiently to ensure their long term survival. That said, the BBC are extremely well funded with some very clever people within the organisation, so maybe they will salvage a future.
Indeed - We live in 'interesting times'
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Apart from those people watching other people play golf.Indeed - We live in 'interesting times'
M.
Anything involving moving, kicking or propelling a ball on TV is, in my opinion, mind numbingly boring, and usually takes over all broadcasting as if JC commanded it. ( no, not jeremy clarkson)
It's a sad site, say what you want, but at least Sky put some funding and infrastructure into their coverage, as well as showing a lot more live coverage and replays the following day.
The BBC should have left this well alone if they weren't going to dedicate some air time to it on one of their channels (even BBC3 or 4), and digging up Peter Alliss again doesn't help their image either.
I've never understood golf, seems as odd as walking round the woods hanging from trees upside down.
What's the point, is it more a excuse for a drink thing?
I wouldn't deny that the numbers watching a show at the point of its first broadcast have, as a trend, declined for the BBC as they have for most traditional broadcasters (eg 12 million+ watching 'EastEnders' at 7:30pm).
However, there are a few points you've made I'd contest...
Firstly, the license fee also pays for the BBC's radio output and listener figures for many of its stations and programmes are huge and getting bigger.
It also pays for the news website (which is right up there with the best news websites in my opinion), as well as a regional news service which no commercial service comes close to matching for coverage.
Secondly, some of the BBC's televisual output has been very successful in attracting a young audience who may not have the ties to the traditional TV set which older generations do. For example, BBC3's online output targeted at teens and 20-somethings, as well as kids shows like 'Bing', are mainstays of the top 40 most popular shows on iPlayer.
Finally, some television shows not only still achieve pretty respectable audience figures on TV and iPlayer combined, but find a big audiences around the world as well (eg 'Dr Who' and, before "steak-gate", Clarkson's 'Top Gear').
Concerning this last point, the BBC's weekly global audience is big and getting bigger - rising to 348 million per week according to the most recent figures.
That said, one thing I do concur with you on is the rise of populist programming.
A strength of the BBC should be to offer things commercial broadcasters don't. A prime example for me would be BBC Radio 3 which not even Classic FM comes anywhere close to for quality, variety and enlightenment. Pursuing a populist agenda at the expense of such services would be a big mistake.
I guess the crux of the matter is if the license fee is worth it.
For me at least, it is. Even without taking into consideration the television shows, the radio offering and online services alone would be good value at "£15" per month - I pay significantly more than that just for my online Times subscription!
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It seems to me that the popularity of golf is based more upon networking and making contacts rather than the sport of it. A bit like Linked-in with bats and balls.
Thanks for taking the time to post, fully agree.
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