Reply With QuoteIf I could time travel it would be to early to mid 80's and stay in that time band in a sort of Groundhog day except obviously years rather than a day :)
Bring back the good old days when all we had to worry about was the plague, leprosy, TB, smallpox, yellow fever, cholera, ebola or one of the many wars throughout history.Originally Posted by solwisesteve
If I could time travel it would be to early to mid 80's and stay in that time band in a sort of Groundhog day except obviously years rather than a day :)
My kids will be pushing my bath chair if I'm lucky to still be around, so I'm out!
Simple.........bring in a tax on tattoos and facial hair
One thing's for sure, the shortfall will have to be made good from somewhere.
Paul
What´s more, aircraft release the crap up where it does more damage too.
Also no view on electric aircraft is there?!
Again; it is not about the environment AT ALL.
As to tax income, that is way easier to control through electricity and pay per ride. In fact the movement of the population is thus under total control too. The latter is the real agenda of banning the internal combustion engine.
A friend of mine is a scientist at a government research centre. He's someone who can say with all honesty that he is a rocket scientist. Because he spends most of his time developing space rockets. He has also been working in a project team looking at wireless charging technology for cars and in particular building this into road infrastructure. The concept is a new road surface that acts as a giant solar panel and the cats eyes or other road furniture act as wirless chargers, sending small bursts of wireless charge to your car as you drive past. There is huge government interest and sponsorship for this project. Clearly the build costs would be extraordinary and it's many many decades away, but he tells me from a purely scientific perspective it's definitely possible. So who knows, maybe in our kids lifetimes we'll have toll roads that provide at least some of the power for the cars wirelessly.
Will never happen due to the amount of taxes in purchases and fuel etc.
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Gotta love government planning using Madam Zeldas crystal ball 🔮!
what bothers me about no public ownership of cars is this: publc transport is often smelly, dirty, a drunk has been sick in it, etc etc. Who is going to clean these millions of vehicles that are on call via an app?
In general, people have no pride of ownership of public transportation, and it shows.
They'll probably all be owned and run by hire car companies so will be pulled in for cleaning on a regular basis determined by on board sensors/cameras etc.
Any excess dirtiness will be charged to the user responsible!
I've been commuting for the last 7 years by EV and am a complete convert, however I also have both vintage and modern V8s in the stable. The thought of such machines being banned will cause a tear to be shed if it does indeed happen. I think it's unnecessary personally.
I don't think existing cars will be banned , it's the sale of new ones that'll stop. Usually we have the good sense not to apply legislation retrospectively...........usually!
Paul
Remember that we're talking 23 years' time. With the current EV and Hybrid trend, it's unlikely that petrol and diesel engines will still be in manufacture then anyway.
Hence my point about it being unnecessary to ban the sale of new ones. I suppose they're like steam engines, there will always be the possibility to relive the past thanks to enthusiasts keeping the old ones going. But it will mark the end of an era that I enjoyed.
Trouble is we have no idea how efficient/clean petrol and diesel cars would be by 2040 if not for this legislation. But of course telling manufacturers and refiners not to invest too much in R&D means we'll never know. Still, I suppose the bullet has to be bitten sometime
I see what you're saying, but if they don't set a time limit via a ban, there's less motivation for manufacturers to invest quickly in researching the new technology.
Compared to other countries, 2040 is late. Norway are saying 2030 I believe, with India and Germany saying 2035.
And the US?
No mention from HMG about all the immense tonnage of pollution produced from trains, lorries buses.
Not forgetting ( as said above) aircraft, but also totally unregulated shipping! They can chuck out whatever they want, even raw sewage outside the 12 mile limit!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7821911.html
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Good point.
It is always cars that are demonised but plenty of other forms of transport definitely warrant looking at.
Cheers,
Neil.
LOL! No chance I reckon.
currently have a hybrid and no doubt next car will be a full Electric if I can do it.
then for holidays we'd have to use trains and planes and buses and hire cars with better ranges etc.. (or some sort of battery replacement service - all very possible by 2040)
my concern is classic cars - I am a sucker for originality and wont even put electronic ignition in mine...
though if it meant not using it or getting it converted to electric - i'd have to think about keeping the original engine as a coffee table prop
as has been said a car and car journey as we know it today will be a very different thing for the youth of 2040 beyond.... "what? you used to have to buy your own car and fuel grandad?"
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Hohoho not so fast
Together with Brexit the UK is also leaving Euratom.
That will have grave consequences for the UK electricity generation.
It is not unthinkable that the whole 2040 plan will need to be canned.
Better wait till after this has been sorted out before betting on electric cars.
Electric cars will be a passing phase.... fuel cells are the future and our filling stations will dispense hydrogen
And what will HMG do if the manufacturers just don't produce electric cars? Will they allow the country to grind to a halt?
Improved technology should see the fossil fuel engine go the way that the horse went some 100 years ago, becoming a recreational avenue for the better off.
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Technically and environmentally yes but socio-politically the States (will) want to do away with the independant car for the masses. The electric car, preferrably not privately owned, foots the bill perfectly.
Again; it is NOT about the environment AT ALL.
See shipping and aircraft, to stay in the transport sector.
They're still electric, just that electricity is generated onboard.
Can't see it happening though. Far easier to distribute electricity than hydrogen, where does it come from anyway?
hydrogen also fuels internal combustion engines. It comes from reforming methane, mostly, and is transported as a high pressure gas (long red BOC tube trailers) or liquified (NASA rocket fuel). Air Products amongst others suppliers hydrogen and car filling stations.
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Hydrogen fuel cells are a dead end.
They will never be widely adopted.
Not a sustainable source then!
Well - we'll see in the fullness of time.
Personally I don't think the implications of a huge increase in battery manufacturing and disposal have been fully considered.
I don't think battery disposal will be an issue, I believe that they'll be recycled almost ad infinitum and we won't be needing huge batteries.
Dynamic Induction charging on the major road networks along with home charging will negate the need for batteries larger than those in use today (30kwhr or thereabouts).
Of course, should the idea of car ownership become a thing of the past then no one will care how a car is charged as long as it gets us to our destination.
Methanogens - just about the oldest organisms on earth
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Its a fair old way away yet, but it will come around soon enough. Might keep my V8 wrapped up in the garage, could be worth a few bob one day :D
With the UK leaving the EU and Euratom, it will be interesting to see what plan the gvt has about generating the energy. To replace the fossil fuel by electricity the production needs to be seriously increased.
...or nothing.
Cheers,
Neil.
Probably nothing. :D...or nothing.
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