It's that time of year again. The rumours are starting to converge, so we have a fair idea what it's going to be like - pretty good IMO; bigger, OLED screen, snazzy new case, better battery life, and other minor improvements. Certainly the biggest change since the screen size increase on the 6.
Not sure about the fingerprint sensor on other side of phone, though - it's a shame if that turns out to be the case.
I'm slightly concerned about the price though - it's looking like $1000+, which will no doubt translate to £1000.This is pushing the envelope a bit IMO. I've changed my iPhone pretty much every year since the 3, which I know makes me "one of those guys", but I use it a lot so don't resent spending a decent amount, but £1000! Is that getting a bit silly? Is Apple pushing it a bit too far?
At that sort of price, and even with a residual value of £500 give-or-take, that's quite a lot to spend on a phone. If nothing else, there are going to be more people changing to a 2 year replacement cycle.
[Disclaimer: I know I don't "need" an iPhone, and there are other choices. I also realise the parallels with watches etc. Veblen blah blah..]
My problem is I can't make a phone last 2 years. I will crack the screen at some point. I take good care of my possessions but when it comes to my phone I'm quite careless. I don't treat it like the expensive item it is.
Usually the battery's start to die too. The iPhone 7 was nearly a £1000 phone if you went for the plus and 512gb. I won't be getting the 8. I will jump back to android this time.
^If you're thinking of going back to android JP, I'd say do it. I upgraded a Samsung S7 to an S8. I bought my wife an iPhone 7. Running the two together, it's clear (to me at least, YMMV) that the S7 is better than the iPhone 7. The S8 is better still.
There are a couple of annoying changes in the S8. The fingerprint sensor is now on the back. Ridiculous.
Apart from that, there's no physical button on the bottom of the phone now as the screen stretches across the full length - another retrograde step over the S7.
Good points are that the S8 seems quicker and clearer, and the built-in speaker is much better (I use it for conference calls a lot).
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I've had the 6since it come out (nearly 3 years at a guess) and I've not seen the point in changing to the 7 and as long as it keeps working well, I won't change to the 8 either. I just don't see the annual tweaks as worth the extra money.
The 7 is a much superior phone to the 6.
I suspect the 8 will be the same type of step change.
If I had a 6 id definitely upgrade to an 8.
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Same here. Frankly the 4S or 5 did everything I need a smartphone to do. I don't see any point in going to the effort and expense of changing my 6 until it breaks.
The advances now are very small, the law of diminishing returns has kicked in.
So clever my foot fell off.
I am going to pick my S8 up tonight.
I have a 6s+ which is due for replacement in September I'll probably be going for apples upgrade program where you effectively lease the phone yearly with upgrades every year and a 12 month sim only deal from somewhere. I did consider android last time i changed phones but i've not had good experiences with Samsung phones in the past and the google phone had some downsides i wasn't willing to live with so stuck with apple. The S8 looks like a lovely phone but the rear fingerprint sensor really puts me off as i like to have my phone in a chunky case to prevent damage (never cracked a screen or had any other damage to a smart phone). I'm hoping apple doesn't go down the 'rear sensor' route. My main gripe with android is the update policy, new versions have to go through google, the manufacturer and sometimes the carrier as well so are often delayed for months, preventing critical security updates from being made, yes you cut that down if you go for a google manufactured phone but the pixel doesn't appeal at present. This isn't really a concern with apple. That said iphones aren't perfect, the lack of sd expansion slot and usb drive connectivity are the 2 biggest issues I have however I have come to terms with the compromises of buying the phone with double the largest storage I think i'll need and things like spotify and netflix / amazon prime negate the need for much copying of data to and form the phone.
There just isn't any software to actually justify the spec bumps, be it apple or android. the user is just wasting their money, and these days, a HELL of a lot of money. Anyone who buys a £1000 phone has some screws missing imo. The older gen phones are still more than capable. I recently got myself a brand new S7 for a whopping £120 from Three. More than powerful enough.
Screws missing? Really?
What about. Some one who spends £1000 on a watch when £100 will buy one that keeps the same time?😀
The S8 is definitely quicker than the S7. There must be a reason.
Maybe and maybe I'll never know what it does that mine doesn't, but mine is perfectly adequate and to me it's as good as the day I got it.
Paying £1,000 for some extra things that I probably won't use or understand isn't worth it to me.
Isn't there usually an 'S' model in between?
Because why would anyone buy it if it wasn't? Software has stagnated, be it a phone or a laptop, it is now just a spec war, and little else. One of the only benefit of modern phones these days is the improved cameras. Or do you believe we actually need 6gb of ram on a phone when a laptop with4gb is capable of playing bf1, running photoshop, or even simply a full blown OS and so on. If people truly believe that an app loading 3ms faster is reason to upgrade, then that is there perogative, but it is pointless in my opinion. There must be a reason that smartphone sales went into declien, with more and more people just keeping their old devices instead of upgrading.
Because a £1000 watch will likely retain a good deal of its value over time (and for those which don't, there is a reason many buy on the used market, such as with TAG). Phones rapidly become obsolete in the eyes of consumers, and their depreciation reflects this. As with pretty much every electronic device be it a smartwatch, computer, tablet, phone, television etc.
Well, it's not just that it's quicker.
The screen is clearer. And it sounds better. That's enough for me.
I'm aware of diminishing returns but that also applies to televisions, cars and let's face it, jobs and remuneration. At what point in technological evolution do you draw a line in the sand and say to the rest of us "You go on - I'm happy here"?
We might all decide to revert to the mid-90s with Dom Joly handsets, Brit Pop albums and a fascination with faded US entertainment icons.
And I for one would not argue with you.
To put into perspective how crazy things have become, I recently found a paypal email for the iPhone 1 (the days where you had to unlock via GeoHots lines of code) and I think it was around £200 delivered from the US!
Im still on the iPhone 6, does everything I need and the 6S and 7 just seemed the same phone on steroids so the first time ever i never upgraded.
iPhone 8 looks like it could be the bomb, if some innovative wireless charging happens and the fingerprint sensors are under the screen (or retina scan) then I would be tempted to upgrade this time. If fingerprint scanner on back I doubt I would bother, that would be so damn annoying, however the prices are indeed getting stupid across the entire Apple product range
I also have a 6, which has been working perfectly (touchwood) for almost 3yrs. Haven't been at all fussed about upgrading since, and have been far less excited by the numerous upgrades. The 6 just does everything I need, is nice and slim and has a great screen.
That said, my wife switched to an S7, and my goodness the camera on that leaves my iPhone for dead!
I'm similar to you, new iPhone every year. Right now I have the 7+ 256gb which was £919 and I even used to work at Apple but feel that money (and life) is a pie chart and if I want to colour in the iPhone section other sections will be slimmer.
The 7 is the S model of the 6S which essentially makes it a 6SS. The new flagship will be at least a grand for the all singing all dancing and I think I would rather have a pretty good phone and put more money into watches or indeed other things entirely.
My next phone will more than likely be the Pixel XL 2 or possibly just settle for a OnePlus 5 for £500 with 128gb storage as they don't make a 256gb option.
The removal of the headphone socket in the iPhone 7 was the nail in the coffin for Apple phones for me, looks like I'm stuck to the 6S for a while.
Dunno what Samsung do for headphones?
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No change to the headphone jack since you were listening to Kraftwerk on your Walkman 30 years ago.
Problem solved in that case. Just need to get used to a different eco system.
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I had an iPhone 4 which I loved - and it worked as well after 3 years as the first time I switched it on. But I got bored, and the battery life was starting to dip so I tried an htc one m8, as did my son. We both loved the phone, however after a year they both slowed down, I had two SD cards die on me and we just got fed up with all the apps we didn't want or need constantly updating etc. So 6 months ago we got iPhone 7's with a view to keeping them for at least 2 years before upgrading. I don't really have an issue with the cost as it's my go-to internet access, camera, video camera, music device for both cars and at home, news feed and (rarely) games console. If you update an android or an iPhone every year that's your choice, but if I wanted to do that I'd probably stick with android as their life expectancy and resale values are fine in that period. I'd rather buy the latest iPhone when I need a new phone then just stick with it until something revolutionary comes out or it becomes painfully slow to use. I'm more excited about the Apple Watch 3 - I haven't gone for a smart watch yet, but there's still plenty of room for improvement which might tip me to buy one - like a display that's always on for example. Do that and I'm in!
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Tsk! Bitey bitey, newbie bitey!
Hey! I still listen to Kraftwerk every now and then
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
Oh dear, have I done something wrong already?
I just thought it was a funny comment on a watch forum, where I would imagine most people buy watches (or whatever) because they like them and can afford to.
Perhaps thats just my sense of humour
btw you missed of my smiley in your quote.
Wireless charging is no longer innovative, others have been doing it for the last two or three years!
headphone socket makes bugger all difference to me as I use bluetooth headphones, way better than wired imo as no conducted sound from clothing and footsteps. I've heard a lot of chatter about better siri and augmented reality integration for the next major bump of iOS, this is where all the action happens, the hardware just needs to run it smoothly. As I'm now 2 years behind the bleeding edge I might need to upgrade, that said I trundled along with an iphone5 for years so I might wait a short while and see how my current hardware handles things. I suspect that I'll upgrade within a month of release though (or as soon as the waiting list allows).
No I mean proper wireless charging, not drop on a plate. I believe they have bought all sorts of wireless tech companies that specialise in this but guess early days
You might like this SJ.
Thank you for that
Bill Bailey is very good indeed.
I have fairly eclectic taste in music. But Varèse is one of my favourite composers when I am on my own. I have rarely found anyone to listen to 'Déserts' with me.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
Just listened to that - an excerpt at least - and I can see it's a complex feast for the ears.
I'll wait until I can play it in an empty house. My new approach to life is to keep an open mind on everything except country dancing and GS Divers.
I have the 6 plus unlocked
Unlimited calls and 40gb data for £22
I need the data as no wifi and use what's app for calls to Ireland
I see the only reason to upgrade would be a better battery
The 8 will have fans but what makes me laugh is the talk of the 9 already
I feel no need to have the latest model
But no need to knock those that do
Earphones are irrelevant to me but a must for others
Apple will dominate
That is excellent; I can't really take a view on the Kraftwerk pi$$-taking but Bailey really is a 21st century Hoffnung.
Hold your horses. Apple haven't even managed the drop on the plate style yet.
I used to play some games on my phone, but rarely bother anymore since the "in app" purchasing has utterly ruined every game that is now designed around this highly dubious financial model.
I'd much rather pay a fiver, or even more, for a good game that doesn't have it.
As a result, I have little interest in upgrading my phone these days.
Shame really.
The rumour is there will be a 7s model fpr roughly the same price as the 7 and the 8 will be the " premium model" as it's celebrating 10 years since the first iPhone.
Same as me, had a 6 for 3 years and it works great for me. I will up grade once the battery starts to go, unless the 8 is really cool. Or some good deals come out a few months after launch.
I have an S7 from work but divert the calls to my iPhone as I find the Samsungs (Android) horrible to use.
Thats the way it’s looking - they currently still sell the 6s, in a three-tier range with the SE, so whether the 7 gets a bit of a tweak or not, it’s likely to stay on sale. The new premium model presumably will be priced above the 7 (and probably the 7 plus), and thus you can see how £1000 isn’t unrealistic. It’s a hell of a lot of money for a phone, though.
Hopefully, the 7 equivalents will get a bit of a reduction in price (as the did with the 6S’s), so the 8 may not be quite as eye watering as some are speculating, but it ain’t going to be cheap.
Despite what some are saying, the 8 does look like it’s going to be a decent leap. I agree the 6, 6S and 7 have really only been a slow evolution, but if rumours are correct, the 8 is going to be a leap forward - the screen in particular. OLED is fantastic tech, and to have a screen that almost the size of the Plus, in a unit not much bigger than the 7, would be a major draw for me.
I think I’m going to go for it (who am I kidding?), but I think it’ll certainly be with the intention of keeping it for a couple of years.
On the headphones front I have a set of AirPods and hands down the best bit of techno Ive brought for a long time, love them
RIAC
Relax, you have done nothing wrong! Just my 'a little odd at times' sense of humour! Welcome to the forum by the way!Oh dear, have I done something wrong already?
I just thought it was a funny comment on a watch forum, where I would imagine most people buy watches (or whatever) because they like them and can afford to.
Perhaps thats just my sense of humour
btw you missed of my smiley in your quote.
Indeed as I believe they dont intend to do this at all judging by patents and taking over specialist companies in this field.
If this is the case I'll reluctantly get an android. Yes, I am a "fan boy", everything I own is Apple, integration between MacBook, iPad and iPhone are fantastic but out of the three I would drop the phone.
I have been an iPhone user for a good few years but through no real allegiance, just habit. I recently bought an S8 because I really wanted THAT screen and it has not disappointed. I found Android easy to use after a short period of adjustment. The screen is amazing, the rear fingerprint scanner a bit of a drawback but with the right case its mangeable. Battery life has been fine, lasting about 1.5 days on average. The iPhone 8 is going to have to do something special in regards to the screen size / integration to reduce the amount of wasted space, be interesting to see if they do just that.
Cheers
Or even £2 watch.
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Is there not going to be a 7S, or have they now ditched the half way monikers?
My thoughts summarised perfectly
I've just got £350 out of LG after they lost my partner's Nexus 5X that I'd sent to them for repair... a OnePlus 5 128Gb has just been ordered and she can have my OP3.
The Pixel 2 is the only competition to the OP5 this year (IMHO) and that's probably 3 or 4 months away, and likely to be at least £200 more expensive.
How is the sound quality? I was thinking to get one but i cant test them anywhere where im located.
Besides if i compare 6S and 7 (with stupid lightning connector and adapter) sounds is much better on 6S on my headphones..
I also see next to no real point in inductive charging via a pad. The pad still needs to be plugged in to the wall, and the phone taken to the pad. All you have achieved is not plugging in a smaller and less obtrusive cable while having a more obtrusive pad taking up space on your bedside table.
Real wireless charging at up to a fifteen foot range is thought to be around a year away to market - providing safety requirements are met. So unless Apple pull a blinder (they are known to be investing heavily in this) and get it to market for the iPhone 8, it won't feature.
It would be the game changer for me. I would buy an iPhone at almost any price that had that technology.
^Yep, I tried the pad with my S7.
The novelty wore off when I realised I was spending more time adjusting the position of the phone on the pad than I would do plugging it in.
It's also a lot slower charging.
I got an iPhone 8 today.
It's a replacement for my 2 year old 6 (or 6s maybe) which has a battery that doesn't last a day.
I didn't want a 7 as it didn't feel like an upgrade, but to be honest the 8 is pretty disappointing. It works, but the interface is as bland as ever and I can't see any difference in performance.
Save your money folks. If your iPhone works there's no need to upgrade. Maybe the X will be more exciting?
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