Reply With QuoteThere were a lot of heavily armed Police Officers in Leeds yesterday. A very visible presence indeed. As you say, they had the serious guns out too. We couldnt decide if the sight was more daunting than the threat they were there to protect us from.
I spent a sunny afternoon in Newcastle today including browsing in watch shops (Berrys is closed on Sundays though) and there are 4 shops all close together,Goldsmiths,Reid & Son,Rox and Berrys.
Tried on a couple of Nomos models,asked to see an Explorer1 to be advised I could go on the waiting list (I only wanted to look and maybe try it on) but the chief feature of this afternoon was the number of armed police on the street and I do mean armed.Inside Eldon Square,I clocked a closer look and judging from the width of the weapon magazines I think they've upgraded from 9mm to 5.56mm weaponry.
Similar to John Lewis, Northumbria Police "Never knowingly undershot".
A few years ago,Berrys was bumped by some nasty armed robbers and has a buzz in entrance with resident security guard now.
It struck me that whether armed police deter suicide bombers and terrorists they should deter any armed robber.
A nice bonus for nearby retailers.
Have a pleasant evening all.
There were a lot of heavily armed Police Officers in Leeds yesterday. A very visible presence indeed. As you say, they had the serious guns out too. We couldnt decide if the sight was more daunting than the threat they were there to protect us from.
Why would be the sight of armed police be daunting? They are there to protect you.Originally Posted by Puntsdog
I think it's great seeing more armed cops about. I say a quick hello / thanks / thumbs up to every armed officer I see - happy to say I've not been shot yet!
thats probably because you weren't carrying a chair leg
I was also in Newcastle today and saw the same Police numbers, also heavily armed. I walked up through Town twice this week from the station to Northumberland Street area and there were the same or similar numbers. Very reassuring I have to say.
Ha ha very good!thats probably because you weren't carrying a chair leg
I say arm all cops.
I say you are correct.
thats a route i wouldn't like to see us go down. coming from a military background, i saw some servicemen that didn't know the barrel from the butt.
Depends on the individual Police Officer, surely? Those who joined the service and wanted to bear firearms are probably already doing so or in training for that role. I suspect that many serving officers have no wish to carry a firearm or undergo that training.
Make it a requirement of the role for all new recruits. Don't like it or haven't got what it takes then there are plenty of other jobs. Times have changed and so should policing.
In the Netherlands every cop I saw was armed and to me that was quite reassuring.
Why?
Do you have any proof that if a 'Bobby on the beat' had been armed he/she could have stopped this latest atrocity?
All routinely arming the police does is cause more 'accidental' shootings, more 'he was reaching for something in his pocket/on his belt incidents.
And any serious criminal who decides to go armed will now be more likely to use the weapon whereas at the moment it will most likely be used for 'awe and shock' only.
Even in countries where all law enforcement are armed many police officers would be most likely to injure themselves or a bystander if they were called upon to respond to an incident using their sidearm, also looking at the age/condition of some of the Berettas carried by the Italian provisional police I'd be even more concerned if they decided to pull the trigger!
I have noticed a lot more police presence now too. I work in Wembley Park, and there's now at least 4 at the station every morning. You only used to see them on event days.
I would say that there were roughly double the usual amount of officers at the Arsenal - Chelsea game last Saturday, a lot of them armed.
First time I've seen one of these too :
Looked like something straight out of Mad Max
I have noticed a lot more police presence now too. I work in Wembley Park, and there's now at least 4 at the station every morning. You only used to see them on event days.
I would say that there were roughly double the usual amount of officers at the Arsenal - Chelsea game last Saturday, a lot of them armed.
First time I've seen one of these too :
Looked like something straight out of Mad Max
There used to be a couple of theses that lived at Heathrow, impressive beasts
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There used to be a couple of theses that lived at Heathrow, impressive beasts
It's because the alert level was incresed to 'critical' now this has been reduced you can expect the increased Police presence to reduce accordingly following the bank holiday.
So where have all these extra police come from? (And where do they go to when the level is decreased from 'critical'?)
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
Me and the good lady actually saw armed police on Scarborough beach today .
Taken away from other regions? I read that police from Edinburgh and the Lothians had been deployed to Manchester following Monday night's incident. I think the point is we don't have enough resources to maintain this level of visible policing. Theresa May as Home Secretary obviously thought we had more police than we could justify. She was wrong.
The threat level went back to Severe yesterday (link) and I have to assume that, sooner or later, the armed police go back to the posts that the army took on for them.
Berrys have some nice brand new
Unworn but sold as pre owned Rolexs
At a great discount
Ask for David he will look after you
They've got an explorer in too
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate their purpose but it is not an everyday sight in my neck of the woods. Regardless of the purpose it is still an uncomfortable sight to see such ordnance in plain view. I have every bit of respect for these officers and have nothing to fear as a law abiding and responsible citizen, it is just the visibility of real firearms in and on the streets that can be conceived as daunting
Fair enough.
I quite looking at guns!
(I need to buy a Stetson and some cowboy boots...)
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If you "quite like looking at guns" I am sure there are some websites where you can do so from the privacy of your own home. Or you could join a club? Feel free to wear the Stetson and village people footwear when you are out and about. Pride, and all that. I fully support your way of life. I have some friends who share your tastes (not the guns bit, I hasten to add!). That said, one does, but he is an ex-specialist officer.
Having some chums who are currently "in the job", as they style it, they generally favour specialist highly-trained officers to respond where appropriate. If every bobby is going to carry firearms, a lot of "low-level" criminals might decide to go out similarly equipped. That is not a good situation as most of our police officers, almost uniquely, are not routinely carrying firearms. One of the things that makes our country a pleasant land.
I say that these two mean your wrong, unless there's a big investment in training to manage unsuitable officers into other roles.
http://news.sky.com/story/two-office...istol-10777515
Could anyone explain how exactly armed police officers stop a IED or PBID.
I don't think they would.
My view,for what it's worth,is that it's largely a PR exercise by the government.
If there was a danger of armed terrorists on the streets trying to shoot to kill as many people as possible (eg Paris style),then I think there is a point.
Mind you,an armed terrorist might well choose a pair of armed officers as the first to murder in a firearms driven attack to gain time to attack civilians.
It is a moot point whether suicidal terrorists would be deterred by armed officers but I suggest "normal" criminals would be.
When budgets kick in again then they will be withdrawn,I would guess.
Nice to see them on Scarborough beach though.
Might try to pop in Berrys next Saturday and see what it's like then.
They shoot the suspects in the head.....
Indeed! (it was a table leg - much more dangerous)thats probably because you weren't carrying a chair leg
Al
Well as long as you feel safer while shopping I suppose the PR exercise had achieved it's aim. No pun intended.
The device used in the Manchester bombing was a hand held wired remote switch, it looked to me like a dead-mans switch.
ha my bad. easy mistake to make, chair leg, table leg or rifle.
No, they would aim for the torso.
How do they know they're a suspected bomber?
How easy is a head shot on a moving target for a normal officer who has barely any training on firing a weapon?
Personally, i'd stick with keeping it specialist, and available to those who show high potential, arming all officers just means we'll be left with a conundrum for those who fail their annual qualification, are they not allowed out on the streets?
The advice that I have found, says:
Confronting a Non-Compliant Suspect Use of Deadly Force
- Apply deadly force from behind cover.
- Maintain as much distance as possible.
- Avoid telegraphing the intent to shoot.
- Avoid hitting explosives or firing switch.
It also notes that: A “fail safe” initiator could be used to detonate the device if the bomber is incapacitated or hesitates. This “fail safe” initiator is another individual with a remote detonator and a line of sight to the bomber.
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