Reply With QuoteWhat a complete nightmare. Can't even imagine what horror those effected must be going through. These lunatics want to provoke division and to that end at least their sick tactics work.
Worth repeating and I'm in full agreement with it.Originally Posted by Qatar-wol
They want a wedge between us in order to further their cause, the more they can achieve that then the more they gain.
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
What a complete nightmare. Can't even imagine what horror those effected must be going through. These lunatics want to provoke division and to that end at least their sick tactics work.
my sons girlfriend best friend is still missing as of 0820 this morning....lets hope for better news as the day progresses
Very sad to wake up to
Tragic event. These people really are scum.
Cowardly scumbags, I'm glad he had the good sense to kill himself as no pain would be too great for that piece of shit.
I was disgusted by the Paris attack in 2015, sickened by the Brussels attack the following year and am generally appalled by terror attacks on a smaller scale across the world on a daily basis.
Now I'm just scared.
My little girl is just at the age where she wants to go out with her friends to the cinema and bowling alley, and to have us take her to a concert or show at the Arena. It isn't right that we should be worrying about this crap, the world is a scary place!
Yes, I'm scared by the methods these scum are using. And fear breeds hatred. I can't tell you some of the things I'm thinking this morning, but retaliation of some sort was very high on my list this morning. I know that sounds stupid but I just want to inflict a great deal of pain on some of these terrorist cowards.
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Goodness she must be beside herself and the family - I really hope she is ok. What kind of chance does anyone have against this radicalised extreme thinking to carry out this attack .
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Theres a lot of stranded people all over the city so I pray for the best outcome.
devastated for OUR great city
just went to the Police cordon on my way to the office which is 5 mins walk from the Arena. Eerily quiet and think everyone stunned in disbelief
not going to comment on the scum that do this, as today isn't the day for that. Just thinking of the victims' families and the injured. This city is full of good people who will pull together to help them
Absolutely appalling.
My thoughts go out to the families of the dead and injured.
Unfortunately I see no way to avoid similar situations unless someone can come up with a way to see into the future and predict the acts of madmen and cowards.
My wife was at a Take That concert at the arena last Friday so this feels very close to home.
Any terrorist attack is disgusting but to target a concert that's going to have a lot of younger children is beyond belief.
You can now donate to help the affected families here:
https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfund...thermanchester
All the best. I hope shes found safe .
Indeed, fingers crossed for that. Events like these touch so many more people than the immediate victims, it spreads far and wide through our society.
As an aside, from what I've read and heard the emergency services have done a superb job dealing with the incident and the aftermath.
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
Spent half the night watching the news as I found it difficult to sleep afterwards. Truly heartbreaking events, feel terribly sad for the poor families and victims involved. The Manchester public and emergency services deserve all the recognition they get for the efforts and togetherness in such sad times.
It certainly is.
Aside: a Dutch newspaper reports that the Apple store and other phone brands' houses gave away powerbanks etc to the first responders i It's only a small token of involvement of the community. After the panic and mayham of the first minutes a move to support everybody on the scene. Somehow - for me- it echoes the spirit of the UK's mentality to overcome and adapt shocks and horrors -like the British encountered during WWII when the cities were bombed. You guys don't give up.
As a father of a 13 and 9 year old, this has really affected me. My thoughts are with all those affected by this tragedy.
Getting a bit close to politics? Here's a link to the BP thread on this atrocity...you can imagine how that's going...
My daughters best friend was there and is, thankfully, safe. My daughter has been to similar events there and I have stood with anxious parents waiting to collect them.
Manchester Arena is one of the busiest event venues in the country. An attack like this would be terrible at a football match, a shopping centre or a concert with an older audience but targeting a concert where the majority of the audience is likely to be young girls is simply beyond my comprehension.
My thoughts are with all effected, not just those who were there but also family and friends. Many people will be dealing with this for a long time.
I don't know how my daughter will react when the next concert she wants to see comes around. Nor how me and her mother will react. 'Carry on as normal' is easy to say , but if she decides to go it will be a worry!
Mark
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Indeed, having a son has definitely intensified my reaction to such things, I shed a few tears for those poor worried and bereaved families this morning
I'm ashamed to say previous events have already changed my behaviour, we were tempted to take my son to see the Christmas lights in London last year but in the end decided not for just this reason.
Armed response has just arrived in Fallowfield and an explosion has been heard. This area is pretty poor but on one side full of students for the universities. Perhaps there's more people linked to the attack living there.
I'll pass on joining in there, thanks: it just brings out the bigot's game of who can outdo each other in their unpleasant views. Here, we can hopefully debate it rationally without invoking Eddie's ire.Getting a bit close to politics? Here's a link to the BP thread on this atrocity...you can imagine how that's going...
In amongst the news coverage there are many examples emerging of public kindness and generosity, they to me are far more representative of us as a nation - irrespective of faith, colour or political allegiance.
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Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
I haven't even bothered opening the BP version. I just know...Getting a bit close to politics? Here's a link to the BP thread on this atrocity...you can imagine how that's going...
People from across Manchester came out of their houses in the aftermath of the attack and went to the rescue of those caught up in the blast.
They used their cars to help survivors get home and could be seen assisting mums with young children take shelter in nearby hotels.
Others offered rooms in their own homes, with the hashtag #RoomforManchester soon trending on social media, and urged people to give blood.
One hotel was reported to have taken in a group of children as they waited to be reuinted with their parents. Local pubs and a snooker hall also said they were taking in people.
Around 30 private hire drivers from one taxi firm also made their way into the city to help people get home.
Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham this morning praised those who opened their doors to those in need.
“I want to thank the people of Manchester,” he said. “Even in the minutes after the attack, they opened their doors to strangers and drove them away from danger.
“They gave the best possible immediate response to those who seek to divide us and it will be that spirit of Manchester that will prevail and hold us together.”
Among those helping people on the streets last night were Jen Leigh and Leah Solomon, both 19. At 3am, they were outside a city centre hotel offering help to anyone who needed it.
Leah told i: ”I’m just trying to see if anyone needs a lift home or even to borrow a mobile phone charger so they can phone home. If we were in that position, I know other people would do it for us.“
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
An 8 year old girl - I feel sick.
BBC are reporting "an arrest".
Indeed, bewilderment is my main emotion. Sadly there are those in this world with no empathy, no love in them.
I couldn't speak watching the news this morning. I can't get the thought of going to pick my kids up from the concerts they have been to out of my head. Any parent will know what I mean. I also feel for the emergency services and what they have had to deal with. Also the medics who spend their whole working lives trying to save life, seeing the results of this. Sickening. Terror? No. I'm not terrified. I'm going to continue doing all the things I was going to do today .............. and tomorrow and the days after that. They will not terrorise me!
My daughter is 7 and had to tell me who Ariana Grande was when putting on the news this morning, last week she performed in the Netherlands.
The only thing good that can come out of this is that all the communities in the UK will grow closer to form one united block against these idiots, instead of tearing them apart.
My thoughts are with all the victims and their families.
Daddel.
Got a new watch, divers watch it is, had to drown the bastard to get it!
for anyone who has a spare couple of pounds, you can donate here to support the family's of those involved in this tragedy,
https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfund...thermanchester
I'm afraid that she won't be the last child victim, if news reports (relaying Police comments, if not official statements) are anything to go by.
Given the 'fan' demographic of the artiste I think there will be a high percentage of young females amongst the casualties. :-(
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Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
I rarely get heated but the perpetrators of this are just pure scum. I also rarely pray. But I will pray tonight for the families of all affected by this disgusting tragic atrocity. I just hope the entire Mancunian community react in a stoic and calm way. Peace to you all
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Terrible set of events. This has hit me harder than any other terrorist event I can think of. Maybe because my nephew is at the same age as some of these kids. They are just starting out in life, for many it would of been their first gig and first bit of independence.
I can't imagine this does good PR for any terrorist organisation. Surely kids are off limits to all faiths etc.
And how long before the people on the streets start taking matters into their own hands. This is my fear. Racial tension will go through the roof in many towns. It's a time for resolve but also for calm. My only comment to the Muslim community is to ask for ever greater commitment from THEM to "out" these people before they do things like this. Most are good people and the actions of these a*holes is tarring them all with the same brush but there's opportunity here, as they have more knowledge of these people than most. Sad sad day
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Already, an arson attack on a mosque today not too far from me.
It's probably just coincidence however the Brussels airport attack last year, the shootings in the Munich shopping center (again, last year), the recent Westminster incident and now this were all on the 22nd of the month, as was Lee Rigby.
I heard of this very early this morning, around 4.30am when I turned the TV on. They interviewed, live by 'phone, the mother of a daughter who was missing, probably the same person who had been interviewed on Radio 4 - I cannot even begin to imagine her thoughts and emotions.
There are no words for such events.
Noooo, I know better than that, thank you very much.Getting a bit close to politics? Here's a link to the BP thread on this atrocity...you can imagine how that's going...
There's an interesting point of view on this blog - CLICK
People will find that no amount of resources allocated by the state can stop terrorism of this type because it requires only motivation and the amount of planning a dullard could complete in 20 minutes. The goal of people like Osama bin Laden was and is to bring about the collapse of Western societies by exploiting their weakest points. It is a long game, aimed at making us slowly lose our collective sanity and resort to increasingly undemocratic rule and concentration of power and wealth in the state until it collapses from within. It's working so far. Give the US and France and the UK twenty more years of random, periodic carnage and it is likely to produce some results that seem far-fetched now.
We will have to choose as societies whether we will live with a persistent low level of danger (You're still incredibly unlikely to die from terrorism compared to just about anything else, but the fear it causes is disproportionate) from insidious elements that wish to do us harm or whether we will subvert a handful of the core, defining principles of 20th Century Western democracy in exchange for greater security, real or perceived.
Just heard the same mother on the radio again. She's had no news about her 15 yo daughter. Things look pretty bleak.
My 13 y.o. daughter's friends were there at the Arena last night, including one girl who plays football with my daughter in the U13s girls team I coach. Thankfully she and the others friends are safe but were just behind the group caught in the blast so so things likely to haunt them forever.
My boy is 8, the same as the little girl who was confirmed as a victim this afternoon.
My initial reaction was revulsion and thoughts of revenge and retribution, BUT.......
Hatred, fear and violence can not be allowed to tear communities apart! We HAVE to stand together and try to teach our kids that there is a better way. Love and peace. Build bridges not walls.
And my thoughts are of course with the families of this unspeakably abhorrent and heart breaking crime.
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Talk about hell on earth
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That is stating the obvious AND pointing the bigger finger to ourselves.
It is part of the war the west is fighting in Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria.
It brings the horror to our doorstep.
More uniformed blokes with machine guns will not, can not prevent this; will just make us live in an ever more obvious police state.
Imo it illustrates we, average people, who go to shopping centers, visit football games or pop concerts with our kids should be point blank against any war. Whether under religious, nationalistic or other banner, we do suffer and should we care who takes our taxes?
I shudder to imagine the horror of this.
Going to a music festival with kids and then this.
It makes me cry. Literally. Those poor people and the families.
Thanks politicians.
Similar in a way. My daughter's friend was going and for months my daughter begged to go too. Her friend's parents were more than happy to take her. In the end we just felt uncomfortable at her travelling away for a couple of days to her first concert so didn't let her, and as a compromise she went to see another band at the Glasgow Hydro last month with her mum. Thankfully my daughter's friend and family are OK, although cannot begin to comprehend what other families may be going through. As others have said, it's a concert full of kids ffs..
Choice of target...by 22 yo Salman Abedi?
Whatever made him do it, I'd guess that it was somewhere within his experience. If he started down the path he ended last night six years ago, it was something he knew of and had turned his back on. Twisted I know...but I'm guessing he didn't do football or other mass events (including transport, perhaps)? Maybe...and I'm prepared to be very wrong about this...he didn't set out to target kids, just western pop culture as it's (I'm led to believe) an anathema to everything he came to believe in.
There...I've made as many assumptions about him, his motives etc etc as some of the most outspoken on here. But I'm prepared to admit I actually know nothing about it, so it's as good a supposition as almost anything else that's in the public domain.
Absolutely appalling.
What we need to do is stop calling it a terrorist attack and just describe it as an absolute nut job performing an atrocity. The less media attention we give these absolute human pieces of filth the better. And ISIS would frankly claim responsibility if my cat got run over.
My condolences and thoughts and prayers to all those affected.
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Where'd your reference to starting down the path six years ago come from PB, genuinely curious.
Like many I am following all the news regarding this despicable act of terrorism and trying to come to terms with why children and young folk have been targeted.
Listening to our Prime Minister and many other MP's and senior police officers quoting that the terrorists will never win etc.
Well the sad truth is the terrorists are winning, and in many cases are known to the police and antiterrorist organisations.
These brain washed retards are embodied into our society now and the UK does not have a clue how to prevent, heaven forbid any further attacks.
RIP To all those innocent victims, my thoughts are with all that are affected.
I have none at all, except of my own imagining. As a British citizen of Libyan descent he must have taken some time to arrive at where he ended up. Two years as a minimum, maybe...four years possibly, but probably no longer than 6 years, ie from when he was 16 yo.
From the rapidity with which the police descended and arrested, as reported, his brother, I assume that they had intelligence and that takes some time to accumulate, correlate and assess. I'm just waiting for the "the Police / Intelligence Service got it all wrong" phase to kick in. Again, that's my supposition / imagination at work...it may not happen, but?
What he did, to most minds, was irrational. Trying to understand the irrational is a job for better minds than mine...and most on the forum. But if we don't try to imagine how things might have happened, how can we try to change the environment that allowed or caused them to occur?
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