4k TV's and sources

[senwar]

Not the easiest thing to search for on the forum but I've had a bit of a look at previous threads.

I'm debating upping to a 65" TV (Samsung UE65KU6400) which is on offer at present for £1099 including a Samsung Soundbar worth £300. I realise I may be better waiting a few weeks for the release of the 2017 TV's which may reduce prices further but this seems a really good deal.

I have Netflix and would upgrade to 4k, also have Amazon prime and would buy a 4k fire TV box. May even go for SkyQ

However, a thought crossed my mind earlier re: the streaming of such content - I live in a rural area with 2.5mbps broadband at best. I can stream HD netflix and Amazon no problem - but will this be no good for 4k? I've read you need about 15mbps but wonder if anyone has any real life examples of similar?

We don't even have a fibre roll out plan yet although its in design phase. Am I better waiting until I get this before upgrading? I don't need to upgrade but just a bit bored with my current TV and the android software (Sony Bravia 55).

[hilly10]

For 4k you need minimum stable 25 meg with that I mean no buffering.If you start a film on Netflix or Amazon and they detect you do not have sufficient Speed they automatically send it down the line in HD

[kungfugerbil]

I get perfect 4K streaming but just did a test and am getting somewhere North of 30Mbps so that's no use really... I would imagine it won't be a good experience with 2.5Mbps.

Unless you are planning to watch a load of 4K blurays or use it for Xbox or similar in 4K, I wouldnt bother.

2.5Mbps is bad in this day and age!

[senwar]

Thanks. Thought as much. Glad I realised now and not after buying!

Surprisingly the speed is fine for work and normal streaming but I then thought this may be pushing it. Downloading is when I do notice the slow speed but as I say streaming is fine.

Damn. Oh well saved me some coin I suppose.

[r.dawson]

I've got a Sony with android and have to say I think it's the best TV operating system out there.

[senwar]

I've got a Sony with android and have to say I think it's the best TV operating system out there.

I've been disappointed in mine since it updated to marshmallow. It seems clunky. Also all of a sudden the sync with my soundbar (ct380) has completely gone. I have it connected via hdmi and it used to switch on with tv but although it does the sound is out. It's driving me mad.

[James_Poole]

This doesn't help with the broadband speed question but...

Depending on the TV you probably wouldn't need the Fire TV box, I bought a Panasonic TV recently which has an Amazon app that will stream in full 4K HDR. I had no idea that they worked in this way but I'm very impressed.

[hyl1987]

If I'm not wrong, most 4K TVs will upscale HD videos. So theoretically a HD video would look sharper on a 4K TV vs a Full HD TV.

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[Kevin Glover]

Not really as its done by interpolation as far as I'm aware which is essentially a best guess algorithm

[swanbourne]

If I'm not wrong, most 4K TVs will upscale HD videos. So theoretically a HD video would look sharper on a 4K TV vs a Full HD TV.

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Some video can actually look worse with upscaling.

Eddie

[senwar]

I suppose my other issue is that it would be daft not to get a 4K tv if buying a new one (can you these days?).
Annoyingly a better model has just come up on offer (£400 off) and I'm very tempted as it so much nicer than my current one and comes with a 4K blu ray. Altho I'd probably sell that on to recoup.

It would future proof me as I hope we get fibre next year.

But is it a daft purchase if I don't have the right setup yet?

Also - my current tv is 55. The one I want is 65 and a lot bigger obviously. I have it wall mounted on a big wall but am wondering if it may be too big. Has anyone gone up to 65 and thought the same or will it be ok? The height is roughly the same as I have now as I have a wall mounted soundbar that I won't have with a new one but the width is about 280mm wider.

[kungfugerbil]

Has anyone gone up to 65 and thought the same or will it be ok?

Depends how far away from it you sit... when you unbox it you will question your sanity but after a week it will seem like it's always been that size.

I agree with you, if you're getting a new TV anyway there's no way I wouldn't buy a 4K panel.

Which model is it?

[JasonM]

Depends how far away from it you sit... when you unbox it you will question your sanity but after a week it will seem like it's always been that size.

I agree with you, if you're getting a new TV anyway there's no way I wouldn't buy a 4K panel.

Which model is it?

I agree totally with that, we went from 42 to 55 at Christmas and it seemed huge initially but very used it now. ( and yes, you really should get 4k now for when you get better speeds, the picture is stunning )

[senwar]

Depends how far away from it you sit... when you unbox it you will question your sanity but after a week it will seem like it's always been that size.

I agree with you, if you're getting a new TV anyway there's no way I wouldn't buy a 4K panel.

Which model is it?

Current viewing setup - seated position approximately 9ft from TV, where I took the photo from.



As I say, the Soundbar will go and I'll run without a soundbar for a bit or then get the HWK-650 which is wireless So the height will be roughly the same just wider (and is slightly wider than the cabinet below it).

Its the Samsung UE65KS8000 - this is the one on offer (£400 less than other places I've seen). Saw it on HUKD earlier today. The free player is further down the page for the same price.

http://www.prcdirect.co.uk/euronics-...4k-led-tv.html

[hilly10]

I suppose my other issue is that it would be daft not to get a 4K tv if buying a new one (can you these days?).
Annoyingly a better model has just come up on offer (£400 off) and I'm very tempted as it so much nicer than my current one and comes with a 4K blu ray. Altho I'd probably sell that on to recoup.

It would future proof me as I hope we get fibre next year.

But is it a daft purchase if I don't have the right setup yet?

Also - my current tv is 55. The one I want is 65 and a lot bigger obviously. I have it wall mounted on a big wall but am wondering if it may be too big. Has anyone gone up to 65 and thought the same or will it be ok? The height is roughly the same as I have now as I have a wall mounted soundbar that I won't have with a new one but the width is about 280mm wider.

My 65" is on the wall as soon as you mount a TV on the wall it looks small. The wall my TV is on is 3.5 mtrs and i sit 3 mtrs from the screen, its perfect, so much so the next big boy going on that wall will be a OLED 75"

[senwar]

I'd be surprised if 2.5meg could cope reliably with HD, zero chance with 4k as others have noted.

HD content streams fine. Never had any issues with Netflix Amazon or YouTube. Looks like I'll not be steaming 4K for a while though.

My 65" is on the wall as soon as you mount a TV on the wall it looks small. The wall my TV is on is 3.5 mtrs and i sit 3 mtrs from the screen, its perfect, so much so the next big boy going on that wall will be a OLED 75"

Nice one. Would love to splash out on OLED myself.

Just ordered the telly anyway from Richer sounds so a 6yr guarantee too. I might actually keep the DVD player as it comes with 3 4K DVDs anyway.

Now just to deal with the wife's reaction later.

[professorfail]

I've steered clear of this topic because it's a subject that a lot of peeps are fooled into. The bare facts are that you will not notice the difference between HD and UHD on a 60" screen unless you are sat less than 3 feet away from the screen with perfect 20/20 vision. It is fruitless at the moment to buy a 4K screen until content is widely available and the price of an 80" HDR UHD TV is about a grand. In the meantime peeps you are wasting your money. They haven't even settled on the correct format for it. So my advice is leave it two years and then buy.


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[kungfugerbil]

The bare facts are that you will not notice the difference between HD and UHD on a 60" screen unless you are sat less than 3 feet away from the screen with perfect 20/20 vision. It is fruitless at the moment to buy a 4K screen until content is widely available and the price of an 80" HDR UHD TV is about a grand. In the meantime peeps you are wasting your money.

Utter nonsense. Content is widely available - I barely watch broadcast TV and all of the Netflix, Sport, Amazon and YouTube stuff I watch is available in 4K. Everyone who watches it can tell the difference, even my wife...

I wouldn't take 'expert advice' from someone who thinks 20/20 vision is perfect.

Relevant username, peeps.

[professorfail]

Utter nonsense. Content is widely available - I barely watch broadcast TV and all of the Netflix, Sport, Amazon and YouTube stuff I watch is available in 4K. Everyone who watches it can tell the difference, even my wife...

I wouldn't take 'expert advice' from someone who thinks 20/20 vision is perfect.

Relevant username, peeps.

Not nonsense at all. You only have to google it to find the scientific evidence. Most people are fooled by upscaling and effects applied by the TV itself. And I really don't inderstand your 20/20 vision comment. It was merely a given as to what is regarded as perfect sight. Google it, then come back to me with some actual facts that make sense. 1080p is absolutely perfect for domestic purposes and until you have an 80" telly and sit 6 feet away there is no need AT ALL for UHD. HDR and OLED on the other hand... definitely.


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[Vanguard]

Not nonsense at all. You only have to google it to find the scientific evidence. Most people are fooled by upscaling and effects applied by the TV itself. And I really don't inderstand your 20/20 vision comment. It was merely a given as to what is regarded as perfect sight. Google it, then come back to me with some actual facts that make sense. 1080p is absolutely perfect for domestic purposes and until you have an 80" telly and sit 6 feet away there is no need AT ALL for UHD. HDR and OLED on the other hand... definitely.


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There is no up-scaling to a 4K TV if you are watching 4K content, and there is plenty to choose from now, 4K Blu-Ray being the best

6 feet would be way to close to a 80" TV unless you were putting 4K content into it. The higher the resolution the closer you can sit and not see the pixels.

1080p is good no doubt, but 4K is better, especially on large panels.

You'll be waiting a long time if you're holding your breath for a 80" 4k TV for a grand as well.

[professorfail]

There is no up-scaling to a 4K TV if you are watching 4K content, and there is plenty to choose from now, 4K Blu-Ray being the best

6 feet would be way to close to a 80" TV unless you were putting 4K content into it. The higher the resolution the closer you can sit and not see the pixels.

1080p is good no doubt, but 4K is better, especially on large panels.

You'll be waiting a long time if you're holding your breath for a 80" 4k TV for a grand as well.

Not holding my breath at all because it's lunacy until you can get a ridiculously large screen and then sit at appropiate distances from it.

Most 4K blu rays are 2K upscales. (Again google it).

And again... google the 80" 6 feet thing. There are actual charts pointing out how 4K is very silly.

I'm not trying to argue with you all, I'm pointing out facts so you don't get sucked into "higher pixels means better".


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[kungfugerbil]

Not nonsense at all

Nope...still nonsense. You're presenting your opinion as the definitive fact and final answer. I'm telling you that I can absolutely tell when a source is 4K and not using the sources I use.

Vision, like hearing, is individual and subjective. The Nyquist theorem may tell us why 16-bit 44.1KHz is the effective optimum for audio but many people would disagree.

And I really don't inderstand your 20/20 vision comment.

Google it.

[professorfail]

Nope...still nonsense. You're presenting your opinion as the definitive fact and final answer. I'm telling you that I can absolutely tell when a source is 4K and not using the sources I use.

Vision, like hearing, is individual and subjective. The Nyquist theorem may tell us why 16-bit 44.1KHz is the effective optimum for audio but many people would disagree.



Google it.

Oh behave. Just putting my opinion out there which is what forums are for. No hard feelings. Oh and don't get into nyquist etc... professionally trained sound engineer. Personally... 48khz 24 bit is my preference... no point in 96khz... which actually in a weird way... makes my point.

[professorfail]

Relevant username, peeps.[/QUOTE]

That was a bit mean. Just voicing my opinion. No need to be a bellend.


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[professorfail]

I'm not trying to anger anyone. Just trying to help. Sorry if I've got people's back up


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[kungfugerbil]

I'm not trying to anger anyone. Just trying to help.

Understood - but I think you presented it poorly. You could have just said "I can't see a difference between 4K and HD, but your mileage may vary"

Still. It's the Internet and we all present things poorly from time to time :)

[professorfail]

Can't we just agree to disagree. Bit fed up of this now. Just watched a film in the bedroom on a 1080p telly and it looked stunning. As I said, I'm all for massive tellys and absolutely love HDR, I'm just not gonna get sucked into the UHD thing. Before you know it it'll be 8K and then it'll be 100" TV's and 6" away before you can notice it. I genuinely can't tell the difference between a 4K source and an HD source on my telly and last time I went for an eye test (3 months ago) I didn't need glasses. But each to their own and if you can tell the difference fair play.


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