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    Quote Originally Posted by Qwerty View Post
    Exactly the same experience from Fraser Hart Kingston.

    Have bought countless watches from them over the years (including steel Daytonas) and each time I walk in, with barely a foot in the door, I'm rudely told that all lists are closed and they don't want my business anymore. Went in as recently as yesterday with a Patek on the wrist and was spoken to in a very condescending manner.

    Shall never purchase through them again.
    Unfortunately I also have had this exact experience of Fraser Hart in Kingston. From the manager specifically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rossi46vr View Post
    Tudor have something new :

    Interesting... Looks fifty fathoms like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rossi46vr View Post
    Tudor have something new :

    Hmm, Steel version with Black Bay Bronze design?

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    Basel 2017



    Bulging back = inhouse movement
    Bezel and crystal indicate Black Bay family

    Thickness of taper from lugs to strap suggest rubber to me

    Looking closer at the first pic - steel version of Bronze with numerals , black with black rubber

    Last edited by MarkO; 18th March 2017 at 11:46.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AAddict View Post
    Hmm, Steel version with Black Bay Bronze design?
    Exactly what I thought. Not innovative really if that's the case.

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    Profile shot looks more like a chrono with a sloped fixed bezel. Thickness suggests a 7753 type movement...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inq24 View Post
    Profile shot looks more like a chrono with a sloped fixed bezel. Thickness suggests a 7753 type movement...

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    Looks like it could be a chrono to me too. The profile is not unlike my 79280. A heritage big block would be nice to see.


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    I think it's going to be a larger Black Bay in steel with arabics and maybe a rubber strap. A bit meh if that's the case

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    Could be nice, with straight hands and 3-6-9 dial
    It's just a matter of time...

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    My local AD mentioned today that they stopped receiving SD4000s some months ago; he thinks they are being discontinued. He also predicted a perpetual calendar version of the Day Date.
    He also mentioned the efforts Rolex are going to, in an effort to stop profiteering on watches like the Daytona. Somehow I can"t see how that can work . Once a customer owns the watch...it is his to do with as he wishes. Rolex cannot stop that, it is perfectly legal.

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    Of course Rolex can stop it, they simply need to increase production to meet demand, something they could easily do, but they want the penny and the bun. You can control price or supply, but not both, even the mighty Rolex can't escape the rules of basic economics.

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    They could void warranty upon resale

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmoris View Post
    They could void warranty upon resale
    Pretty certain they can't!

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    Let this be a thread about Basel 2017 and not about Rolex production/marketing/sales practices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJM25R View Post
    Pretty certain they can't!
    Person who buys at AD is registered and anyone else who brings the watch to claim warranty would get rejected. Simple

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJM25R View Post
    Pretty certain they can't!
    Ways and means of achieving this - but unlikely to be put in place
    It's just a matter of time...

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    Here's another photo from the 'Rolex' website:

    https://content.rolex.com/is/image/Rolex/?src=is%7BRolex%2Fshadow_oyster_submarinerdate_40% 3Flayer%3D1%26src%3D41315%26layer%3D2%26src%3D4154 0_g_40%26layer%3D3%26src%3D41373%7D&$rv55-watch-retina$


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    That's blue bezel is very nice, can't see it happening though.

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    That would be lovely :)
    It's just a matter of time...

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    Isn't that a bit Tudor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gruntfuttock View Post
    Or Tudor
    I don't think new Tudors are that thick, though I haven't checked one out for more than a minute. They are, however, slab sided which makes them look thick and wear large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonK View Post
    Of course Rolex can stop it, they simply need to increase production to meet demand, something they could easily do, but they want the penny and the bun. You can control price or supply, but not both, even the mighty Rolex can't escape the rules of basic economics.
    They could lease, rather than outright sell, their most desirable watches. There are literally countless contractual remedies. Ferrari does/did demand first right of refusal on their most limited cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean View Post
    Here's another photo from the 'Rolex' website:

    https://content.rolex.com/is/image/Rolex/?src=is%7BRolex%2Fshadow_oyster_submarinerdate_40% 3Flayer%3D1%26src%3D41315%26layer%3D2%26src%3D4154 0_g_40%26layer%3D3%26src%3D41373%7D&$rv55-watch-retina$

    If this happens that'll be my New Years resolution shot to pieces

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmoris View Post
    They could void warranty upon resale
    Not currently legal to do that.
    When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........

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    Won't happen. Too much like a BLNR. Very very nice though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by phil h View Post
    This would at least show innovation rather than changing one line of text / a bezel to a different colour:

    http://watchbase.com/blog/2016/12/06...gh-tech-bezel/
    So true.


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    I don't get how there's a waiting list without even any definitive heads up as to any releases???


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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentBob View Post
    I don't get how there's a waiting list without even any definitive heads up as to any releases???


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    Limited edition Seamaster 300 60th Anniversary, ref. 234.10.39.20.01.001 (39mm case, solid case back 3557 pieces).

    Nicked this from wus, it's based on the MRI teaser posted by Omega on Instagram.


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    Tudor's horrific chrono, probably in the profile pic already posted here.


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    Tudor Black Bay 43mm in Stainless Steel with numerals, another miss from Tudor in my opinion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Inq24 View Post
    Limited edition Seamaster 300 60th Anniversary, ref. 234.10.39.20.01.001 (39mm case, solid case back 3557 pieces).

    Nicked this from wus, it's based on the MRI teaser posted by Omega on Instagram.

    This one could be something special, looking forward to seeing the proper revealb even if I won't be able to afford one.

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    I think I'm in love,
    H.Y. Moser just teased the pioneer center seconds in steel with a blue fume dial.
    I've been looking for a dressier watch, but still sporty-ish, I think this could be the one.



    Edit, found a link to some pics
    https://www.deployant.com/basel-2017...onds-in-steel/
    Last edited by endo; 21st March 2017 at 10:15.

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    Hodinkee has begun their "Live" page for Baselworld:

    https://live.hodinkee.com/e/baselworld-2017

    The first post?...a photo of a railway track....I'm trying to contain my excitement

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_the_UK View Post
    Not currently legal to do that.
    I've often wondered about this. My understanding is that if you buy from a retailer then under EU law you are entitled to the 2 year warranty that all goods are covered by but if you buy privately you have no right to a guarantee. This is from the EU consumer law website:

    "Second-hand goods
    Second–hand goods that you buy from a trader are also covered by the minimum 2-year guarantee. However, goods bought from private individuals or at public auctions are not covered."

    Wouldn't this mean that Rolex (or anyone else for that matter) would not have to honour a warranty on a secondhand watch that a private individual has owned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inq24 View Post
    Tudor's horrific chrono, probably in the profile pic already posted here.
    Looks like there was an explosion in the parts bin. Hopefully it will look better in real life...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tetlee View Post
    This one could be something special, looking forward to seeing the proper revealb even if I won't be able to afford one.
    Agree - I'm really excited by the whole set but won't be able to afford any of them I suspect! I wonder how similar this will be to the SM300MC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astonandy View Post
    I've often wondered about this. My understanding is that if you buy from a retailer then under EU law you are entitled to the 2 year warranty that all goods are covered by but if you buy privately you have no right to a guarantee. This is from the EU consumer law website:

    "Second-hand goods
    Second–hand goods that you buy from a trader are also covered by the minimum 2-year guarantee. However, goods bought from private individuals or at public auctions are not covered."

    Wouldn't this mean that Rolex (or anyone else for that matter) would not have to honour a warranty on a secondhand watch that a private individual has owned?
    How the legislation applies to business and private sellers is specified in the legislation:-

    Consumer Rights Act 2015 (for sales on or after 1st October 2015)
    The Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Charges) Regulations 2013 (potentially relevant)

    It is also necessary to deconflate statutory retailers' warranties from voluntarily offered manufacturers' warranties (possibly, debatably, a contractual matter). A lot of discussions like this utterly confuse and conflate the two entirely different things.

    And this really isn't the thread for this discussion. :-) It's been done before. See http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...anty-Confusion
    Last edited by markrlondon; 21st March 2017 at 13:09.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inq24 View Post
    Tudor's horrific chrono, probably in the profile pic already posted here.
    This is horrid... I really am not a fan of the bracelet with the screws not being flush. But that is a small part of thinking the whole watch looks dreadful.

    Oh, and it will probably be as thick as a brick just add insult to injury!

    Lets hope it is better in the flesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inq24 View Post
    Tudor Black Bay 43mm in Stainless Steel with numerals, another miss from Tudor in my opinion.
    Agree here... the BB is a big watch and the upscale bronze is a VERY big watch. But there was so much hype on the Bronze you can see the thinking to create it in a more popular steel version. If it looks comical in 10 years, time will tell.

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    The rivets on that bracelet are not nice at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Middo View Post
    The rivets on that bracelet are not nice at all.
    Rivets was the word I was looking for!!

    It makes it look like tacky young man jewellery (in my opinion).

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    It's looking more and more like Tudor lucked into their couple nice designs. Everything since then has been lame.

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    That Tudor chrono is a Black Bay too, isn't it? Crown, handset, dial, case chamfer, rivet bracelet...

    Will Tudor ever release anything that isn't a variant of the Black Bay again? I mean, I love them, but it's starting to wear thin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Middo View Post
    The rivets on that bracelet are not nice at all.
    reminds me of a bike chain seen from above

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    I don't understand the obsession with putting snowflake hands on everything. It made sense with the BB & Pelagos. Less so with the BB36, though I appreciate it helps distinguish it from the Explorer. However, for me they have no business being on a chronograph. Tudor didn't use them in the past and I can't understand why they think it would be a good idea now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by endo View Post
    I think I'm in love,
    H.Y. Moser just teased the pioneer center seconds in steel with a blue fume dial.
    I've been looking for a dressier watch, but still sporty-ish, I think this could be the one.



    Edit, found a link to some pics
    https://www.deployant.com/basel-2017...onds-in-steel/
    Yes please - that's beautiful.
    I shudder to think what it costs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbyman View Post
    Just go and ask. I can give you the name of an AD I use that would add you to the list. The reason I mention it is that I know they honour the wait by lists and are fair.
    Has your guy allowed you on a Daytona list as well?


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    Quote Originally Posted by astonandy View Post
    I've often wondered about this. My understanding is that if you buy from a retailer then under EU law you are entitled to the 2 year warranty that all goods are covered by but if you buy privately you have no right to a guarantee. This is from the EU consumer law website:

    "Second-hand goods
    Second–hand goods that you buy from a trader are also covered by the minimum 2-year guarantee. However, goods bought from private individuals or at public auctions are not covered."

    Wouldn't this mean that Rolex (or anyone else for that matter) would not have to honour a warranty on a secondhand watch that a private individual has owned?
    The warranty is for the watch. I think this has been discussed earlier.

    Ref: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.abl...new-owner/amp/


    Topic now way of course!
    Last edited by MartynJC (UK); 21st March 2017 at 20:30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJL-73 View Post
    If this happens that'll be my New Years resolution shot to pieces
    Haha, what was the NYR? no more watches? If so I am sure my wife would like that to be implemented for me!

    This is a beautiful watch (should it happen). I prefer it compared to the Kermit they did.


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