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I received today a notice for doing 87 mph in a 70 (dual carriageway). I was going too fast and I accept that I was not being responsible.
Any idea of points / fines etc in Scotland . Just want to brace myself ?
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Not to condemn or condone, but for advice on road traffic offences visit the guys at pepipoo.com. Great resource.
I got nabbed doing 84 on the A9 at Dunblane a few years ago and got 3 points and the standard fine, which I think was £60 at the time.
If it a NIP and they're asking you to confirm you were the driver, the next step is the "offer" from them. I doubt it'll be draconian but I guess it all depends any extenuating circumstances. It would be hard to prove any other offence from a static van, other than VERY excessive speed.
Before someone beats me to it;Originally Posted by MFB Scotland
MFB is that Mr Fast B******d?
Overhere in the Netherlands 244 euros...
Try for the speed awareness course if you can.
3 points and £100 fine for that I think.
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They're just making up a room for you at Barlinnie!
In Scotland, the standard is £100 and 3 points
Yep, speed awareness course is the way to go if they offer it.
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I don't think they do the speed awareness course in Scotland.
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Well all I can say is that it's a good job that bicycles can't go that fast.
But if nothing else this should provide some light relief.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-SLLOqp1zo
Last edited by Morning Wood; 9th February 2017 at 19:43.
Very unlikely you'll get a speed awareness course in Scotland
http://www.roadtrafficlaw.com/speed-...es-in-scotland
Thanks for the information. 3 points and £100 seems fair. I am too pretty to go to prison
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Not sure they offer speed awareness courses up here, I certainly wasn't offered and had to take my points and fine!
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3 points and £100 fine - if there were no aggravating factors (weather, road conditions etc)
No SAC in Scotland - saves wasting 4 hours of your life!!
Yep , as the others have said ....standard 3 points and £100 fine.
I got pulled over last year on the M90 at 89mph ... Traffic cop was cool .
He said ....." Wow ..lovely car ..beautiful ! ...has it cruise control ?"
I said ...Yes
He said ...you wanna try using that !!!
First and only speeding fine in 25 years..........there is no excuse , but my excuse was having just got off a flight from Germany , having done a few hours at high speed on the autobahn.
Last edited by steviefleming; 9th February 2017 at 20:52.
You've just got to love the patronising wit of our traffic cops!
Traffic cops are apparently a different breed!
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I didn't think any of them knew their real fathers actually ?
The Procurator Fiscal may lock you up and throw away the key!
Rcently been done myself, 37 in a 30. £100 fine and 3 points, no offer of a course. Annoyingly it's a stretch of A4 that's always been 40, don't use it much, but they have now decided a small bit is 30, no big speed signs, just little ones saying 'street lights mean 30', even though the few miles before is equally lit and has big 40 signs.
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Hopefully you for get a speeding course. I have mine in a couple of weeks. Can't wait.....
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Got "gunned" just before xmas, 47 in a 40.
Was coming out of a local recycling centre (tip) and accelerated from the 40 to national speed limit too early, "gunner" was behind a hedge in a Waitrose car park! Thanks you get for recycling! 😡
Awareness course booked for the end of the month. 😕
Yeah, we had a guy like that on our course, too...
M
93mph on the A9.
£60 fine and 3 points.
Must of been the excitment of going on holiday!!
Sorry but driving at 87 mph is selfish and irresponsible and if natural justice were to be done, you would be banned for a bloody long time.
The chances are 3 points and a £100 fine at the most and that is why idiots continue to carry on driving dangerously.
Our roads are over crowded and removing dangerous people from the road leaving more road for safer drivers has got to be a good thing.
100 lashes
I think there's one on every course!
Not sure if you're trolling or serious, but that's nonsense to be honest.
The Germans have busy roads and have Autobahns with NO SPEED LIMIT.
There's a bit a of a myth that all Germans are driving Gods and they all drive BMW M5s or AMG Mercedes designed for high speeds. Neither is true.
87MPH is dangerous in some circumstances and easily safe in others.
The blanket speed limit of 70 was introduced when cars frequently had drum brakes all round, tyre technology was vastly less developed than today, ABS wasn't dreamt of and integrity of the vehicle structure was virtually zero.
If the road is clear and visibility good, 87 in any modern car on a 70MPH limited road is neither selfish or irresponsible.
Obviously, it's not legal, but neither is passing an amber traffic light, passing on solid white lines or thousands of other things that people do every day for all sorts of reasons.
The Road Safety lobby in the UK have succeeded in keeping a low speed limit despite advances in technology. Trains go faster than they used to safely, is that selfish and irresponsible? Should we, perhaps, go back to the man with the red flag walking in front of our cars to be really safe?
In an ideal world, dangerous driving (not arbitary speed limit excess) would be punished - Like those idiots who drive at 40MPH in 60 zones and then carry on at 40 when they reach a 30 zone, people who text or call on their phone, people who look at their passengers whilst driving instead of at the road, people who overtake on the inside, taligate or 'brake test' drives they think are too close or people who dawdle along in the middle lanes of motorways instead of using the 'slow lane', but in reality, they rarely seem to get caught and punished.
No quibble with it being illegal, it is, or with being punished (sensibly!) for it, but get off your high horse unless you live an utterly blameless life (or even then...)
M
Last edited by snowman; 10th February 2017 at 12:46.
Agreed
I use to drive at 200-230kph every day on the way to work (when safe to do so) and a guy who worked at BMW used to pass me in his M5 on many occasions -the autobahn is a wonderful thing.
Fast and dangerous are "different" attributive words
87mph is just above the average motorway speed limit in most countries in Europe.
Selfish and irresponsible are strong terms to use in this context, I would argue that it depends on conditions.
I'm not advocating speeding but talks of "natural justice" are out of place here.
I never understood the 70 speed limit in motorway giving the 60 limit in some A roads. It just makes no sense to me whatsoever.
The simple fact is that 70mph is the legal limit and if everyone adhered to it, the roads would be a lot safer.
What some of you are saying is that you should be able to use your judgment to decide when to go fast and anyway, the German can go faster legally.
I was once told that we have over 20 million licence holders in this country ( I can't be bothered to check) but within that 20 million you will have good drivers and awful drivers and therefore allowing people to use their judgement is plain ludicrous.
It is the same as using mobile phones, people still do it because it is easy to get away with it and when they do get caught, it is a meagre fine.
There is nothing clever or macho about speeding, it is selfish and dangerous and that message needs to be got through to everyone.
One question you need to ask yourself is why is it that insurance companies prefer women drivers and the answer is that they drive more sensibly.
Just read that if you have an accident on the German Autobahn travelling faster than 80mph, your insurance is void. Is that correct?
Wow, that's a rather sweeping assertion to make. So it's only speeding that contributes to safer roads?
Consider the scenario where you're on a motorway, it's snowing, the roads are white, you can't see the lines. The speed limit is still 70 but you've (and most other sensible drivers) have reduced their speed to compensate for the conditions, except for the clown how thinks his urgency to get to his destination overrules all other safety considerations, so he's still doing 70. In this situation even doing 40 might be too fast but someone's inappropriate driving within the speed limit is clearly dangerous. It's not all about speed, it's inappropriate speed for the conditions.
After accelerating enthusiastically away from the lights one night in one of my more performance-oriented cars, I saw a lovely Evo pull alongside. In police livery.
The rather attractive young Police Lady wound down the window and said "Is that yours?" "I sheepishly replied in the affirmative, to which she responded "Well stop driving like a dick" and drove away.
Can't say fairer than that really.
Alan
The sweeping assertion came from a meeting that I attended with Claire Short in 1995 when she was shadow minister of transport. She had a flunky at her side who was a transport specialist and he was armed with facts and figures. Mrs Short wanted to reduce speed limits because there was a reduction in accidents in every country that had imposed 50mph limits on a temporary basis in order to conserve fuel during some of the fuel crises some years previous. She couldn't do it because it would have caused too much of a stink.
As regards to your second point, people have been fined for reckless driving, even though they were within the limit. The speed limits are there for a reason, to protect us from drivers who would like to drive too fast.
I look at it a slightly different way.. Speed limits are there to protect us from people that don't know how to drive. Just because you drive faster than the speed limit does NOT mean you aren't a very safe and competent driver. The problem is there are a lot of drivers that aren't safe or competent; some of them at ANY speed. If the general standard of driving was improved then the roads would a) be a lot safer and b) traffic would move a lot better. However this is something I've commented on before and it didn't go down well then either.
Last edited by solwisesteve; 10th February 2017 at 17:21.
Says who?
Yes
I think there's more that
Not the same at all - phone distracts attention, speed focusses it
Yes - but inappropriate speed isn't the same as exceeding a posted limit which aren't always appropriate.
Wrong - premia are based upon claims history.
1995 eh? I remember cars back then
Reckless driving has no basis in law so there won't be any these days!
Speed limits aren't always there to protect us from drivers who would like to drive too fast - that's naive.
Notice came a few weeks ago, apparently I was caught doing 60 kph in a 50 kph zone at midnight last November. 3 penalty points and 80 fine for a lousy 10 km's, even worse that my kids mock me for it.
I can add the shame of the high speed ticket to the two separate notices I got last year for my kids illegally downloading One Direction and Little Mix, I will look like a right idiot if they take me to court for downloading that crap.
I was wrong and freely admit that.
I was looking to get home to the kids and wife after a long day and a work event which ended after 9pm.
I was on my own, conditions were clear, dry, and the road was empty. Still I should not have been travelling at that speed.
If there is one thing that brings the 'high horsers' out of their comfy little closets it is driving. They love to quote the rules and regs and chastise anarchic criminal activity such as speeding and overtaking. British roads are some of the safest in the world even if in the worst condition.
We should cut the national speed limit to 55mph to reduce fossil fuel consumption and environmentally damaging emissions. Anyone doing over 70 is a selfish prick. If you need to go faster, get a train.
Don't prostrate yourself about it MFB, seriously.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
You don't owe the 'postman's champion' an apology. Just ignore the miserable sod like everyone else.
Arrgghh. I'm glad I live somewhere where I can travel at 120mph+ (Sometimes well in excess off) and enjoy the roads and the car/motorbike as intended.
I have a real issue with the nanny state mentality.
It's just a matter of time...
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When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Agreed, there really are some holier than thou fools around and they are either trolling or are just not worth bothering with!
Back on topik, just be glad you dont live here!
https://www.theatlantic.com/business...ticket/387484/
I've lost a mate to your philosophy.... Killed at 106mph on his bike when a VW pulled out and he hit it. If he was going slower that would have been avoidable.
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/te...ision-10846215
The problem with exceeding a speed limit is, that no matter how competent you are, other drivers will not be expecting to react to any speed in excess of that limit and therefore will not be making the correct decisions re your position and timing.
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