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    Moto GP 2017

    So...as upset the F1 thread which I didn't realise well back to start another GP one instead....
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    we discuss GP and Moto 2 & 3 here....No point having a separate for each class as they are closely connected...
    We may not get as big audience or as many posters as F1 but we are all friends hopefully....

    I'm a long time fan of both and have never actively just slated it for the sake of it....
    indeed riders and drivers have visited both series, JL drove Lewis' championship winning Mercedes end of last year but 9 different winners and 5 different manufacturers means for me it's not perfect but it's doing something right. I'm saddened greatly F1 has lost its way so my focus again this year will be Motorcycling .....

    It's not just F1 sadly that's dropped off in interest for me, never ever thought it would but while Dorna have nailed GP they have their way now with WSBK & I just don't find it exciting any more which may have been why they bought out the competition.....

    I don't even bother with BSBK much either and that's a shame....

    Quite early but a couple of items......

    Maverick very quick very early on in the tests... how long will he and Vale stay friends?

    Moto 2 rumour is amazingly Triumph to supply engines in 2019....
    Low risk way of enhancing racing credibility without as a team..... hope as reliable as the Honda but will be nice to hear that howling triple as well....

    https://www.autosport.com/news/repor...ngine-supplier

    Now released from Yamaha gag Lorenzo doesn't think he's going to change his riding style.....

    https://www.autosport.com/news/repor...yle-for-ducati

    Enjoy the season folks....5
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    Good to see this thread back as well and thank you for restarting it.
    I disapprove of the way it was done but I believe it is probably best to have the 2 threads separate.

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    Moto 2 as 750cc

    Dorna are cocks to be fair. They almost ruined WSB, which was much better before they bought it - and I'd say at one stage it was also better viewing than Moto GP, with better bike/rider information.

    What's Moto 3 going to, 600cc ;)
    It's just a matter of time...

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    Lorenzo seems to forget he is benefitting from a multitude of riders refining the bike almost at the expense of their own careers!
    It's just a matter of time...

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    I wish Rossi would win one more championship, then he can retire on top, or even go to WSB same a Baggi.

    As regards WSB, good racing from 3 or maybe 4 riders and that's it, it's very disheartening to see the crowds these days. I remember 125,000 at Brands.

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    Only rider who I think will tame the Ducati is Marc Marquez, same riding style as Stoner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew S View Post
    Only rider who I think will tame the Ducati is Marc Marquez, same riding style as Stoner.
    It would be easy to agree BUT;
    1. the current Ducati is not the same unruly beast Stoner tamed; Audi management changed a lot at Ducati
    2. Joge is extremely smooth, the smoothest of the lot and then some
    and the two might just match surprisingly well.
    When the going gets tough, the DAF gets going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew S View Post
    Only rider who I think will tame the Ducati is Marc Marquez, same riding style as Stoner.
    It would be easy to agree BUT;
    1. the current Ducati is not the same unruly beast Stoner tamed; Audi management changed a lot at Ducati
    2. Jorge is extremely smooth, the smoothest of the lot and then some
    and the two might just match surprisingly well.
    When the going gets tough, the DAF gets going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew S View Post
    Only rider who I think will tame the Ducati is Marc Marquez, same riding style as Stoner.
    The Ducati has been tamed. Anyone who hasn't seen that over the last two years needs to rewatch the seasons :)

    Stoner won on an 800cc Ducati, a bike that had considerably more power than any other factory 800 was capable of, which hid a lot of faults.
    It's just a matter of time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    Good to see this thread back as well and thank you for restarting it.
    I disapprove of the way it was done but I believe it is probably best to have the 2 threads separate.
    Thanks SJ - I couldn't quite believe what I read really, the threads were always separate but occasionally, bemoaning of lack of excitement and competition in F1 begs just a little banter and humour - no harm, stirs things up and it's a little spat or a giggle for a bit.....

    but apparently Moto GP bods are semi literate so have to stay in our own little corner and not poke our nose into F1....

    ah well.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omegamanic View Post
    Moto 2 as 750cc

    Dorna are cocks to be fair. They almost ruined WSB, which was much better before they bought it - and I'd say at one stage it was also better viewing than Moto GP, with better bike/rider information.

    What's Moto 3 going to, 600cc ;)
    It was definitely better before and I agree more exciting....as I said Dorna couldn't beat them so they bought them up, the racing was more edgy, the times were close and sometimes better than GP so Dorna got scared and have now watered it down....

    I wouldn't mind if it really was a proper feeder series but no one looks at riders from WSBK or SS to come through it's all CEV then M3....

    Good question really....as sadly Honda no longer building a CBR RR... my best bike so far what do they replace it with?
    In theory it adds up... 250 (200ish) to 750 to 1000 but that's not the reality....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew S View Post
    I wish Rossi would win one more championship, then he can retire on top, or even go to WSB same a Baggi.

    As regards WSB, good racing from 3 or maybe 4 riders and that's it, it's very disheartening to see the crowds these days. I remember 125,000 at Brands.
    I was there too! what a great day!!

    they were great days...don't know why superbikes lost appeal to me, sure it will return but I do spend an inordinate amount of viewing on GP - BT aren't perfect or to everyone's taste I'm sure but the amount of coverage is good. I'd like to see the GP podium properly and better insight inside than the lightweight Chequered Flag which just cuts off too early...but compared to BBC it's light years ahead...

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    If they had a few more Chaz Davies's in the field it would bring the crowds back as he is very entertaining to watch ride his Ducati. It always looks like he is going to crash the way he rides it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew S View Post
    If they had a few more Chaz Davies's in the field it would bring the crowds back as he is very entertaining to watch ride his Ducati. It always looks like he is going to crash the way he rides it.
    Chaz is great but almost defines the problems....

    the format and formula is somehow wrong and has produced dull racing and I don't know how exactly it's just gone flat.....
    and despite his friendship with Stoner and some great rides and wins for them which others couldn't manage Ducati are not interested in giving him a GP ride at all.....

    so he has nowhere to go and its not a stepping stone which under one umbrella it should be.... Dorna got scared by the speed and power of the bikes which got too close to GP times and the entertainment of WSBK and following was challenging their position so they bought them out and killed it....

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    In other news Jonathan Palmer has acquired Donington on a long lease
    (I met Tom and Kevin years back and used to give me free Paddock tickets and Kevin isn't daft to give up whole freehold)
    Should see MSV improving facilities etc over time which it needs and have done a good job with Brands

    (was in the box next to JP at a BSB round and thoroughly nice guy)

    Long as Rocket Ron can still have his school there then fine by me....

    http://www.crash.net/wsbk/news/23683...gton-park.html

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    I read today that Moto2 are switching to Triumph engines. The new 775cc speed triple motor. I guess that's the story behind the switch to a larger capacity.

    It stands to reason really that they need a new engine supplier now Honda no longer make the CBR600R.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave+63 View Post
    I read today that Moto2 are switching to Triumph engines. The new 775cc speed triple motor. I guess that's the story behind the switch to a larger capacity.

    It stands to reason really that they need a new engine supplier now Honda no longer make the CBR600R.
    I'm gutted they are stopping the 600rr Dave.... had an RR5 and think actually best bike Honda ever made... for me it fits perfectly- balance weight build and gp design... next haslam race school day im going back on 600 as recommended by my instructor as suiting me better.

    Oh as to your post on F1 - apparently the OP made it clear we are semi literate oafs and wants them mutually exclusive.... cant have scruffy oiks messing up the place...
    Despite watching since hunt days , driving goodwood at 8 year's old...taking ARDS we know nowt as apparently "F1 and GP are totally different sports"and he doesnt want them compared....and 99% of replies support him, could have been much ruder as he was insulting than i was on there but took the higher ground....

    Was so tempted to reply to you but will contain myself here... you go on being a rebel ...I'll read your posts
    they dont like it up 'em pike!!

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    If you truly are the bigger guy, you let it be.

    Moto GP is at a high and does not deserve mention of the F1-topic drama in the posts.

    I suggest you open a second 2017 season thread without the gripes.
    Let us celebrate that Rossi will continue to be part of this show with a younger, faster and equally wild team mate in a battle with the smoothest rider on a Ducati and the most talented one on a Honda.
    Yapping at their heels will be a pack of very fast blokes, five of which won a GP1 race last year.

    Please open a new 2017 thread oozing THAT.
    When the going gets tough, the DAF gets going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordloz View Post
    I'm gutted they are stopping the 600rr Dave.... had an RR5 and think actually best bike Honda ever made... for me it fits perfectly- balance weight build and gp design... next haslam race school day im going back on 600 as recommended by my instructor as suiting me better.

    Oh as to your post on F1 - apparently the OP made it clear we are semi literate oafs and wants them mutually exclusive.... cant have scruffy oiks messing up the place...
    Despite watching since hunt days , driving goodwood at 8 year's old...taking ARDS we know nowt as apparently "F1 and GP are totally different sports"and he doesnt want them compared....and 99% of replies support him, could have been much ruder as he was insulting than i was on there but took the higher ground....

    Was so tempted to reply to you but will contain myself here... you go on being a rebel ...I'll read your posts
    they dont like it up 'em pike!!
    I agree re the 600s, my favourite track bike was my zx6r b1h. It was so much more involving than any of the bigger bikes I rode on track (R1, 916,RSV, Zx9r).

    I also rode the Daytona 675 although not on the track and felt the slightly larger triple was probably the equal of a 600 four (or 636 in my case). I don't think we'll see a massive difference with the new engine TBH.

    With regards the F1 thread, it was a little uncalled for and you were certainly restrained in your comments. I'll say no more about F1 here but I do remember a time when GPs were going through the doldrums and the race series to watch was WSB.

    Even with three brits at the top last year it can't compare with the days of Foggy, Corser et al. But that's a different topic!

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    I do miss the days of Foggy, Russell, Pollen, Slight and Co. used to get up in the middle of the night to watch the races in Japan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla View Post
    If you truly are the bigger guy, you let it be.

    Moto GP is at a high and does not deserve mention of the F1-topic drama in the posts.

    I suggest you open a second 2017 season thread without the gripes.
    Let us celebrate that Rossi will continue to be part of this show with a younger, faster and equally wild team mate in a battle with the smoothest rider on a Ducati and the most talented one on a Honda.
    Yapping at their heels will be a pack of very fast blokes, five of which won a GP1 race last year.

    Please open a new 2017 thread oozing THAT.
    Thanks H, I thought I would try to be on higher ground and not actually become what the little biker circle is expected to be.I know I wasn't named personally but as started last 2 and had made very tongue in cheek comments did think it under the belt and personal.

    But no it's fine, guys here have been supportive and even seen a couple of posts not agreeing back there on the dark side Also had a couple of really nice PM's too which I really appreciate....

    no need for a new thread this will do fine it's filling up nicely with fun talk....
    2 more years of Rossi,whether you are a full bore yellow blooded fan or not he's Mr. Moto GP and will be a less colourful place in all senses when he does retire.....
    Vinales is looking very omninous as we knew he would be...really really grown into a fully fledged to be sure.......
    marquez just astonishes...love that Colin Edwards can't speak when watching him ride...

    also loved reading last year that the guy Christian Bale would love to be (this is Batman ferrchrissakes) is Marc... he just does things on a bike that aren't possible for anyone else....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave+63 View Post
    I agree re the 600s, my favourite track bike was my zx6r b1h. It was so much more involving than any of the bigger bikes I rode on track (R1, 916,RSV, Zx9r).

    I also rode the Daytona 675 although not on the track and felt the slightly larger triple was probably the equal of a 600 four (or 636 in my case). I don't think we'll see a massive difference with the new engine TBH.

    With regards the F1 thread, it was a little uncalled for and you were certainly restrained in your comments. I'll say no more about F1 here but I do remember a time when GPs were going through the doldrums and the race series to watch was WSB.

    Even with three brits at the top last year it can't compare with the days of Foggy, Corser et al. But that's a different topic!
    I used the blade at Haslam's school, ( I know I've bored everyone stupid with this before but I got riding tips before going out from Leon, my instructor is one of the Haslam's oldest friends and had just come back from off roading in Spain with Jorge..... and while out on track had both Leon and Alex Lowe's hooning past me which was epic to watch and try and follow into Redgate.... sorry if you've got deja vu or fallen asleep!

    but that's why SBK and BSB I'm sad about as they showed me how ridiculously quick and talented they are and should be exciting to watch and its lost something....

    the blade was great but my read outs on the laptop showed a 6 i would have had to "ride" so much more really using the gears rather than relying on outright power and torque.....

    by the way Dave, you're in East Sussex, I was in Brighton 24 years, probably bumped into you somewhere or know people you do!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lordloz View Post
    by the way Dave, you're in East Sussex, I was in Brighton 24 years, probably bumped into you somewhere or know people you do!!
    I've only been here since 2008. Before that I was off-road motorcycling in Spain for a couple of years after living in Manchester for the previous twenty odd!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew S View Post
    I do miss the days of Foggy, Russell, Pollen, Slight and Co. used to get up in the middle of the night to watch the races in Japan.
    Funnily enough I was YouTubeing some epic Baylis, Haga, Xaus battles last night..... great stuff.

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    With all the talk of changing engine sizes in Moto GP class, WHY-o-WHY don't they just bring back 2 strokes and show real talent. No slipper clutches and fancy electronics and the like

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew S View Post
    With all the talk of changing engine sizes in Moto GP class, WHY-o-WHY don't they just bring back 2 strokes and show real talent. No slipper clutches and fancy electronics and the like
    Sadly there are many people who agree but will never happen... the green and climate change lobby have sounded death knell for 2c and so manufacturers are commited to building 4c engines and thats before they die off for electric, hydrogen etc.. ... sadly, when listening to the Motor Show on TalkRadio today a correspondent on there said its possible that children born now (more likely in 10 years really at least if it happens) won't ever have or need a driving licence as transport will be driverless... thats a dismal prediction really for us petrol heads..... a tech boss building a car called a Faraday also interviewed & said he's not a fan of driving...wants to sit in back and have a massage and watch DVDs... again how sad such people are actually designing & building vehicles.....

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