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    PRS-5

    Does anyone know if the PRS-5 will ever be made again?

    I had one and foolishly let it go a while back, epic fail on my part.

    I think because of the Worn & Wound article on asymmetrical chronographs and the CWC price rises there'd maybe be a market for them.

    Apologies if discussed before and i had a search but couldn't find a thread.


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    No there won't I'm afraid. Chronograph movements are too expensive.

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    I'm wearing my Broadarrow version as I type, my chrono mood veered from modern to a more vintage feel, so I swapped my DC56 for it. I've been considering a vast reduction of my watches lately, but both the PRS-5 and Everest would be staying.



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    The one on eBay just went for 294, the seller was honest enough to admit a quirk with the movement so good on him. Not bad though.

    I will look forward to seeing how the Newmark project develops also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benwoodroffe View Post
    The one on eBay just went for 294, the seller was honest enough to admit a quirk with the movement so good on him. Not bad though.

    I will look forward to seeing how the Newmark project develops also.
    Not much of a bargain if the movement's poked ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kk View Post
    Not much of a bargain if the movement's poked ....
    No I wouldn't call a bargain at all. By "not bad" I meant the seller did well to get the price he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benwoodroffe View Post
    The one on eBay just went for 294, the seller was honest enough to admit a quirk with the movement so good on him. Not bad though.

    I will look forward to seeing how the Newmark project develops also.
    The one mentioned above is now listed on eBay with a staring bid of 430 pounds. Never mention the previous sellers problem. I wonder if he got it fixed? I am sure that is why it went so cheap.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/162393194969...84.m1436.l2649

    From Previous sale:

    I have just been testing the chronograph function, and winding of the watch, and the winding works fine and the time keeping appears to be good. However, I have noticed on a couple of times when starting the chronograph if I do a longer press it can make the chrono jump back a few seconds backwards so starts a little before 0. However if you do a short, quick press it appears to be fine. The reset of the chronograph works fine.
    When I listed the watch all functions tested fine, but I wanted to add todays finding for complete honesty.
    Sorry for any misunderstanding this may cause.
    So if any of the current bidders wish to pull out of the sale and retract the bids they have made, I will understand.
    From memory this was a known thing to occasionally happen on this movement in all watches it was used in, but I am not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nactex View Post
    The one mentioned above is now listed on eBay with a staring bid of 430 pounds. Never mention the previous sellers problem. I wonder if he got it fixed? I am sure that is why it went so cheap.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/162393194969...84.m1436.l2649

    From Previous sale:

    I have just been testing the chronograph function, and winding of the watch, and the winding works fine and the time keeping appears to be good. However, I have noticed on a couple of times when starting the chronograph if I do a longer press it can make the chrono jump back a few seconds backwards so starts a little before 0. However if you do a short, quick press it appears to be fine. The reset of the chronograph works fine.
    When I listed the watch all functions tested fine, but I wanted to add todays finding for complete honesty.
    Sorry for any misunderstanding this may cause.
    So if any of the current bidders wish to pull out of the sale and retract the bids they have made, I will understand.
    From memory this was a known thing to occasionally happen on this movement in all watches it was used in, but I am not sure.
    I hope for the sake of any prospective buyers, that the problem has been fixed.

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    Ok thanks guys, that Damasko looks cool

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    It's a pity that there probably won't be any more PRS-5 or any other chronographs, but that's the way it goes I suppose.

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    Love my modified one.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ChronoCop View Post
    Love my modified one.

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    Nice ! me too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChronoCop View Post
    Love my modified one.



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    Very nice! How is it modified?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timelord View Post
    Very nice! How is it modified?
    The handset has been changed, the stock ones are the syringe shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChronoCop View Post
    Love my modified one.



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    What a difference the correct handset makes, no offence to Eddies choice of using syringe hands but they didn't quite work with the PRS-5 for my taste.

    I'm also following the Newmark project with interest.

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    I like the syringe hands better. Reminds me of Sinn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChronoCop View Post
    Love my modified one.



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    I owned a modified PRS-5 as well. It had NOS Precista 6BB 7733 hands substituted and was just a beauty.


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    Each to his own, but there's one of the original PRS5s that will be staying as intended....




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    This is a nice looking watch. I'm not sure why a chronograph would be too expensive to produce. Surely you just charge more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammyl1000 View Post
    This is a nice looking watch. I'm not sure why a chronograph would be too expensive to produce. Surely you just charge more?

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    I agree, given that the CWC is now 1500, and rising...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammyl1000 View Post
    This is a nice looking watch. I'm not sure why a chronograph would be too expensive to produce. Surely you just charge more?

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    I get the impression that the chronographs have never been the strongest sellers. Therefore, with the cost of chronograph movements rising in the way that they have and will probably continue to do so, increasing the price of watches with those movements is unlikely to result in more sales.

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    Love the modded ones, those hands are perfect.
    Surely the PRS 5 was using a Chinese Seagul chrono, and these are still relatively affordable???
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweets View Post
    Love the modded ones, those hands are perfect.
    Surely the PRS 5 was using a Chinese Seagul chrono, and these are still relatively affordable???
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    Using the seagull 1963 reissue as a yard stick for the cost of producing a watch housing the ST19 I'd imagine so. On bviously there would be a whole load of other risk, economic consideration and a deals to be done that I'm not privy to - so I'm guessing from some of the consensus it might not really be worth it.

    I'd have one though for about 500 new I reckon, probably more depending on the movement.

    There's one on eBay for 500 at the moment but he's just being a greedy bugger so not biting out of principle.

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    There's a problem with the ST19, either the mainspring it too strong or the barrel click spring is too weak. There's no way of telling when, if ever, it will fail, it could be after months of use and suddenly the mainspring lets go and you can't develop a power reserve. When it was clear that this was a problem, we got new click springs made and replaced them during assembly of the watches and whilst this reduced the incidence of failure, it didn't eliminate it.

    There weren't a huge number which failed but when you have a dozen or so failing with the same problem, it's clear that something is not right. I'm not prepared to continue using this movement as long as the problem exists.

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    There are 2 PRS-5's on Ebay at the moment, one buy it now which has not shifted for around a month or more and one on open auction. Both UK sellers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteS View Post
    There are 2 PRS-5's on Ebay at the moment, one buy it now which has not shifted for around a month or more and one on open auction. Both UK sellers.


    The BIN example tells us what these aren't worth, the example for auction should give an idea of what they are worth.

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    Time for me to pull this old picture out of the bag again... I loved the view inside!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Timelord View Post
    I have now got one of each: a Broadarrow and a Precista.
    you are welcome to PM me if you ever wish to reduce that number

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyE View Post
    Time for me to pull this old picture out of the bag again... I loved the view inside!

    that is a great photo, top work !

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    Quote Originally Posted by magirus View Post
    The BIN example tells us what these aren't worth, the example for auction should give an idea of what they are worth.
    i think they're ending up around the late 200's nowadays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benwoodroffe View Post
    i think they're ending up around the late 200's nowadays.
    I think they are creeping up much higher than that now-a-days. Especially as the news that Eddie isn't making any more chronos is adding to the desirability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OliverCD View Post
    I think they are creeping up much higher than that now-a-days. Especially as the news that Eddie isn't making any more chronos is adding to the desirability.
    Ok.

    Will be interesting to see how much the one that just popped up as an auction goes for.

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    Anyone on here got it? I set the bar at 450. I didn't want to get into a bidding war on a watch that 'may' have a history.

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    I made a thread about the movement in this Watch.
    I wasn't bidding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benwoodroffe View Post
    Does anyone know if the PRS-5 will ever be made again?

    I had one and foolishly let it go a while back, epic fail on my part.

    I think because of the Worn & Wound article on asymmetrical chronographs and the CWC price rises there'd maybe be a market for them.

    Apologies if discussed before and i had a search but couldn't find a thread.
    Just saw one here:
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Time-Facto...3D262805118994

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    Quote Originally Posted by witti View Post
    Yep, I'm watching. I think it'll be interesting to see how much it'll go for, particularly with the presence of another on the site currently on b.i.n. for 495.

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    neil at Chronomaster currently has a Broadarrow for 395

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    Thanks for the answer Eddie, what an atrocious failure rate.
    Seems like a re0birth is nay, nay and thrice nay....
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    There are clear regulations relating to the use of the words Swiss Made. You won't have any trouble finding them online.

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    You have decided to make new friends on the internet?
    Good job!

    As you've already been told one cannot print 'Swiss Made' on a dial without fulfilling the requirements. Google them.
    Well, everybody in Casablanca has problems. Yours may work out.

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    The Broadarrow PRS-5 was made by Zeno in Switzerland. More erudite members know this.

    Eddie
    Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    The Broadarrow PRS-5 was made by Zeno in Switzerland. More erudite members know this.

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    Eddie,

    Did Kemner make the Precista PRS-5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timelord View Post
    Eddie,

    Did Kemner make the Precista PRS-5?

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    Yes.

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    Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".

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