Does anyone know if the PRS-5 will ever be made again?
I had one and foolishly let it go a while back, epic fail on my part.
I think because of the Worn & Wound article on asymmetrical chronographs and the CWC price rises there'd maybe be a market for them.
Apologies if discussed before and i had a search but couldn't find a thread.
No there won't I'm afraid. Chronograph movements are too expensive.
I'm wearing my Broadarrow version as I type, my chrono mood veered from modern to a more vintage feel, so I swapped my DC56 for it. I've been considering a vast reduction of my watches lately, but both the PRS-5 and Everest would be staying.
F.T.F.A.
The one on eBay just went for £294, the seller was honest enough to admit a quirk with the movement so good on him. Not bad though.
I will look forward to seeing how the Newmark project develops also.
Not much of a bargain if the movement's poked ....Originally Posted by benwoodroffe
No I wouldn't call a bargain at all. By "not bad" I meant the seller did well to get the price he did.
The one mentioned above is now listed on eBay with a staring bid of 430 pounds. Never mention the previous sellers problem. I wonder if he got it fixed? I am sure that is why it went so cheap.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/162393194969...84.m1436.l2649
From Previous sale:
I have just been testing the chronograph function, and winding of the watch, and the winding works fine and the time keeping appears to be good. However, I have noticed on a couple of times when starting the chronograph if I do a longer press it can make the chrono jump back a few seconds backwards so starts a little before 0. However if you do a short, quick press it appears to be fine. The reset of the chronograph works fine.
When I listed the watch all functions tested fine, but I wanted to add todays finding for complete honesty.
Sorry for any misunderstanding this may cause.
So if any of the current bidders wish to pull out of the sale and retract the bids they have made, I will understand.
From memory this was a known thing to occasionally happen on this movement in all watches it was used in, but I am not sure.
I hope for the sake of any prospective buyers, that the problem has been fixed.
Ok thanks guys, that Damasko looks cool
It's a pity that there probably won't be any more PRS-5 or any other chronographs, but that's the way it goes I suppose.
Love my modified one.
Cheers!
Brane
Nice ! me too.
Very nice! How is it modified?Love my modified one.
Cheers!
Brane
The handset has been changed, the stock ones are the syringe shape.
What a difference the correct handset makes, no offence to Eddies choice of using syringe hands but they didn't quite work with the PRS-5 for my taste.Love my modified one.
Cheers!
Brane
I'm also following the Newmark project with interest.
I like the syringe hands better. Reminds me of Sinn.
I owned a modified PRS-5 as well. It had NOS Precista 6BB 7733 hands substituted and was just a beauty.Love my modified one.
Cheers!
Brane
Each to his own, but there's one of the original PRS5s that will be staying as intended....
This is a nice looking watch. I'm not sure why a chronograph would be too expensive to produce. Surely you just charge more?
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I agree, given that the CWC is now £1500, and rising...
I get the impression that the chronographs have never been the strongest sellers. Therefore, with the cost of chronograph movements rising in the way that they have and will probably continue to do so, increasing the price of watches with those movements is unlikely to result in more sales.
Love the modded ones, those hands are perfect.
Surely the PRS 5 was using a Chinese Seagul chrono, and these are still relatively affordable???
D
Using the seagull 1963 reissue as a yard stick for the cost of producing a watch housing the ST19 I'd imagine so. On bviously there would be a whole load of other risk, economic consideration and a deals to be done that I'm not privy to - so I'm guessing from some of the consensus it might not really be worth it.
I'd have one though for about £500 new I reckon, probably more depending on the movement.
There's one on eBay for £500 at the moment but he's just being a greedy bugger so not biting out of principle.
There's a problem with the ST19, either the mainspring it too strong or the barrel click spring is too weak. There's no way of telling when, if ever, it will fail, it could be after months of use and suddenly the mainspring lets go and you can't develop a power reserve. When it was clear that this was a problem, we got new click springs made and replaced them during assembly of the watches and whilst this reduced the incidence of failure, it didn't eliminate it.
There weren't a huge number which failed but when you have a dozen or so failing with the same problem, it's clear that something is not right. I'm not prepared to continue using this movement as long as the problem exists.
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
There are 2 PRS-5's on Ebay at the moment, one buy it now which has not shifted for around a month or more and one on open auction. Both UK sellers.
The BIN example tells us what these aren't worth, the example for auction should give an idea of what they are worth.
Time for me to pull this old picture out of the bag again... I loved the view inside!
you are welcome to PM me if you ever wish to reduce that number
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that is a great photo, top work !Time for me to pull this old picture out of the bag again... I loved the view inside!
i think they're ending up around the late 200's nowadays.
I think they are creeping up much higher than that now-a-days. Especially as the news that Eddie isn't making any more chronos is adding to the desirability.
Ok.
Will be interesting to see how much the one that just popped up as an auction goes for.
Anyone on here got it? I set the bar at £450. I didn't want to get into a bidding war on a watch that 'may' have a history.
I made a thread about the movement in this Watch.
I wasn't bidding.
Just saw one here:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Time-Facto...3D262805118994
Yep, I'm watching. I think it'll be interesting to see how much it'll go for, particularly with the presence of another on the site currently on b.i.n. for £495.
neil at Chronomaster currently has a Broadarrow for £395
Thanks for the answer Eddie, what an atrocious failure rate.
Seems like a re0birth is nay, nay and thrice nay....
Dave
There are clear regulations relating to the use of the words Swiss Made. You won't have any trouble finding them online.
You have decided to make new friends on the internet?
Good job!
As you've already been told one cannot print 'Swiss Made' on a dial without fulfilling the requirements. Google them.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
The Broadarrow PRS-5 was made by Zeno in Switzerland. More erudite members know this.
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
Eddie,
Did Kemner make the Precista PRS-5?
Dave
Yes.
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
I didn’t realise these are in such high demand.
Here’s my seldom worn but much loved one.
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Just out of curiosity, and given your experience with the Seagull ST19 as already used for the Precista version of the PRS-5, if, hypothetically, you or perhaps Ewan were to preemptively replace BOTH the stock factory "too strong" mainspring AND the "too weak" barrel click spring with properly re-spec'ed counterparts before installing these in-house modified movements into a new Precista 5 or a mechanical version of Ewan's also very nice Newmark, would this then likely transform the heretofore controversial ST-19 into a good, reliable, reasonably accurate, sturdy, and durable mechanical column wheel equipped chronograph movement with good availability and relatively low cost even with the aforementioned in-house modifications factored in?
Or, as a hypothetical alternative to that, with your previous Broadarrow experience using the Poljot 3133 lever type chronograph movements that were apparently based on the Valjoux 7730 that, I believe, was used in the original circa 1970s MOD RN twin button chronos, and assuming the 3133s are still even manufactured and available, if you or Ewan were to somehow order each movement batch of 100 or so well logistically beforehand, inspect and test each individual movement for defects, etc., missed by the Russian factory quality control, and then return the up to circa 20% or so rejected defective movements found to Poljot for replacement until all 100 movements are of acceptable function and quality before loading these into their respective watch cases, would the Poljot 3133 movement so dealt with possibly then be a good and viable and cost effective option for a new production Precista PRS-5 or a mechanical version of the Newmark from Ewan?
After installing Kemmner's hands my PRS-5 became a favourite of mine:
These RAF-modifications seem to be rather scarce.
Cheers
Brane
I owned a modified PRS-5 as well. It had NOS Precista 6BB 7733 hands substituted and was just a beauty.
After installing Kemmner's hands my PRS-5 became a favourite of mine:
These RAF-modifications seem to be rather scarce.
Cheers
Brane
The photograph (of your modified PRS-5?) you've linked in your post won't load up to view so won't be able to see it, but if yours looks like Myron's above, it looks great
A shot for the PRS-5 purists amongst us, the original, unmolested . . .
I have a short waiting list for this, should I ever wish to sell it.
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