Which Patek ??

[leechaz]

hello all.
i have not posted for a very long time but am on TZ most days .
usually I am messaging ( annoying ) some of the very helpful and knowledgable members that are on this great forum and have bought and sold a few pieces .
this time I thought I would post my question, and I hope you do not mind .
I am in a very fortunate position where I am looking to buy my first Patek !!
Would love to know from you which one you would choose to buy between the 5711 and 5712 ,both steel versions .
my current collection is all Rolex with the BLNR , Hulk and Deepsea Blue .
I am putting a deposit down for one or the other on Monday so any opinions will be very helpful .
my decision keeps changing ?!!
anyway thank you all in advance .
lee

[stelmo01]

If I was going for my first Patek I'd try and stretch to one with a complication, so the 5712 would be my option.
There's something about the idiosyncratic dial arrangement that really tickles me.

[Deckard81]

I'm bias but I say 5711. Great collection already BTW.


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[numberjack]

Depends how quick you want one , 5711 is around 2 year wait now. 5712 is available almost straight away

[cmcm3]

I bought a 5711 and was over the moon with it. I gave my dad it as a present so am now thinking what Nautilus to get for myself again. As much as I love the 5711 it feels like it doesn't make sense to have two of the same watch in the family so I may be leaning toward the 5712. But for your one and only 5711 and pocket the £5k difference.

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5712 is available almost straight away

Where? That's not what I've been told at all...

[numberjack]

Hamilton inches in Edinburgh offered me one on friday

[Cavham]

For me I am waiting for both 5711 and 5167. Personally I don't like cluttered dials, so it was an easy choice. I feel they are both different enough to have both. Well that's why I m telling myself

[klunk]

I bought a 5711 and was over the moon with it. I gave my dad it as a present so am now thinking what Nautilus to get for myself again. As much as I love the 5711 it feels like it doesn't make sense to have two of the same watch in the family so I may be leaning toward the 5712. But for your one and only 5711 and pocket the £5k difference.

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Where? That's not what I've been told at all...

They appear much more freely available than the 5711.
My local AD had one in stock just a couple of weeks ago, where as is common knowledge, around two year wait is quoted for a 5711.

[leechaz]

Depends how quick you want one , 5711 is around 2 year wait now. 5712 is available almost straight away

Appreciate your our comment about waiting times.
i can get 5712 in a couple of Months or 5711 early next year , so not to bad .

[kultschar]

5711 is around 2 year wait now. 5712 is available almost straight away

I much prefer the 5712 - is this accurate about the general availability in the UK nowadays? e.g. almost no wait

[numberjack]

I much prefer the 5712 - is this accurate about the general availability in the UK nowadays? e.g. almost no wait

Can only go by my own experience but yes , I was offered one with no wait or mention of lists.
The 5711 on the other hand I was told had a 2 year wait with £3250 deposit to be paid .

[watchlovr]

A three grand deposit?
Was that Laings in Glasgow?

Can only go by my own experience but yes , I was offered one with no wait or mention of lists.
The 5711 on the other hand I was told had a 2 year wait with £3250 deposit to be paid .

[daveyw]

Out of those two the 5711.
When you get your next Patek, then get a complication


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[Josh B]

5711 every time

The Nautilus design doesn't really lend itself to complications in my view.

[wolf]

5711 every time

The Nautilus design doesn't really lend itself to complications in my view.

I'd second that.

[crazyp]

The only Nautilus complication to get is the chrono. I don't get the 5712 at all. Bizarre design and I do sometimes wonder if it were another manufacturer whether we'd be so complimentary.

[Cinch]

The only Nautilus complication to get is the chrono. I don't get the 5712 at all. Bizarre design and I do sometimes wonder if it were another manufacturer whether we'd be so complimentary.

It is a strange design but nothing new:



This is a picture of a Patek 5054 that I nabbed from HQ Milton, (thank you).

What I do find strange is that for a Nautilus which is meant to be a sports/ casual model they chose to have a moonphase and power reserve, complications that you wouldn't normally associate with a sports model. As said above a chronograph function makes much more sense for a Nautilus model.
On paper the 5712 doesn't work for me and when I used to look at the dial it just seemed a mess and I really didn't like the 'PATEK PHILIPPE' just shoved to the right in the empty space that was left over. Then suddenly it just clicked for me, I love the small seconds and the lack of a large second hand, I also like the fact that there is no date window so no interruption of the blue. Finally as much as a moonphase doesn't make sense it does look superb in blue and finally my favourite bit are the little touches of red on the power reserve and date.
Overall the 5712 doesn't make any sense to me and I would never swap my blue 5711 for it but I would still love to add a 5712 to the collection.

[watchlovr]

I agree with this gentleman, however go with your gut.
Here's an idea, put your name down for both, then make your mind up when you see the first one in the metal.
Undoubtedly it will be the 5712.

5711 every time

The Nautilus design doesn't really lend itself to complications in my view.

[relaxer7]

5711 for me

[E_2_Right-Force]

5711 - the more you can see of that stunning dial the better - the subdials spoil it.

[jeepie]

I love both. Initially I was very attracted to the sterile dial of the 5711. But the more I see the 5712 the more I like it. The you tube videos on both show the amazing blue dial, the darker 5712 and the dynamic subdials on the 5712.

It would be interesting to know those who have had the 5711 and then flipped for the 5712 and vice versa, and the reasons for this. It's a classic tough decision.

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[Cinch]

I have the 5711 and love it. I also want the 5712 but I wouldn't flip for it, I'm greedy I want both!

[Jdh1]

Initially I wanted a 5711, but a 5712 came up and so I bought that. Liked it very much but it was always in the back of my mind that it was second choice and so I sold it and later bought a 5711. To be totally honest, I was a bit underwhelmed by the reality ( a very simple expensive steel watch) and so that went too. Realised that the 5712 was the more desirable for me, and so bought a 3712 (because I clearly have more money than sense) and am very happy with it. In the end it's down to personal taste of course, but to me the 5712/3712 have so much more character than the 5711. The reality is that you can't really go wrong though.

[Cinch]

and so bought a 3712 (because I clearly have more money than sense)

Haha, they do herald quite a hefty premium compared to the 5712 although only made for a year so there won't be many around

[jl smout]

Out of the two, after a quick google I'd go with the 5711. I think the 5712 looks hideous.

[Jdh1]

Haha, they do herald quite a hefty premium compared to the 5712 although only made for a year so there won't be many around

No, not that many...a few hundred at most I think. I can't say it's better or worse but the difference is apparent when you see the two together. Not from more than about 4 feet though!

[joethetoe]

Initially I wanted a 5711, but a 5712 came up and so I bought that. Liked it very much but it was always in the back of my mind that it was second choice and so I sold it and later bought a 5711. To be totally honest, I was a bit underwhelmed by the reality ( a very simple expensive steel watch) and so that went too. Realised that the 5712 was the more desirable for me, and so bought a 3712 (because I clearly have more money than sense) and am very happy with it. In the end it's down to personal taste of course, but to me the 5712/3712 have so much more character than the 5711. The reality is that you can't really go wrong though.

Hi - is the dial as blue on the 3712 as the 5712? I reckon they are A safe place to stash some money.

Cheers

[crazyp]

Sorry Cinch - that looks terrible too. FP Journe do the whole offset so much better

[Jdh1]

Hi - is the dial as blue on the 3712 as the 5712? I reckon they are A safe place to stash some money.

Cheers

It's a slightly different shade but only noticeable if you see the two together. And all Nautilus look different in different light. Here's an idea as what it looks like...As others have said, hideous!

[legin]

Wouldn't it be nice if you could go to a AD and try both on so you know which is for you.

I wonder what the odds are on actually being able to do that in the UK


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[CVByrne]

Personally I don't understand the appeal of the 5712, unbalanced clustered dial and pointless complication and more difficult to read date. I think it's true that some want it because it's the cheapest complicated Nautilus. So it's "better" than having "just" a 5711.

But I've always preferred the simpler more true to the original watches like the 5711 and 15202 than any of the more complicated ones. Aesthetically complications take away from these two classic sports watches without providing any added usefulness.

[kaiserphoenix]

Personally I don't understand the appeal of the 5712, unbalanced clustered dial and pointless complication and more difficult to read date. I think it's true that some want it because it's the cheapest complicated Nautilus. So it's "better" than having "just" a 5711.

But I've always preferred the simpler more true to the original watches like the 5711 and 15202 than any of the more complicated ones. Aesthetically complications take away from these two classic sports watches without providing any added usefulness.

It is balanced. You need to see the watch from 7 o clock angle and you will see it is balanced.

This is a tough one, I have had both. Currently have a 5711 but I have to be honest, it feels OVER HYPED. IF it was not as sought after and all that, im not 100% sure I would like it as much, as in this appeal of apparent "rarity" contributes to its appeal.

The 5712 is somewhat easier to find and 2nd hand prices reflect that is lower than MSRP by some margin. 5711 even for a used, you will pay probably MSRP or higher.

[misterzero]

The 5712 looks rather ugly and cluttered to me , but because it's a Patek many people will overlook this .The 5711 looks great , clean simple lines .The price is high for a simple sports watch and the 2 year waiting list seems excessive .

[dandanthewatchman]

Personally I don't understand the appeal of the 5712, unbalanced clustered dial and pointless complication and more difficult to read date. I think it's true that some want it because it's the cheapest complicated Nautilus. So it's "better" than having "just" a 5711.

But I've always preferred the simpler more true to the original watches like the 5711 and 15202 than any of the more complicated ones. Aesthetically complications take away from these two classic sports watches without providing any added usefulness.

I'm biased as an owner of a 5712. When I bought it the AD had a 5711. For me, buying my first and probably only PP, I did want a complication. The 5711 was just to simple for me.

What you say about the 5712 being the "cheapest" complicated Nautilus is partly true, and I did particularly like the 5980 - which was totally out of the question for me for financial reasons. However the 5980 is in no way elegant, it is pretty chunky and thick, and part of the beauty of a Nautilus is it being an elegant sports watch, and the 5712 is lovely and slim.

Whichever you choose you will end up with a great watch, and I am looking forward to see what PP will do for the 40th anniversary this autumn

[Solicitor]

The 5711 1A is always the safe bet being closest to the original and classic.





I was lucky to have bought mine when the Nautilus wasn't that sought after as both were available in the AD.

I got the 5711 1A because it was the closest to the original, the blue pops out bec of the clean dial and lastly (at that time) the price difference was almost a SS Daytona.

[Der Amf]

A 5980 popped up on my instagram feed (watchxchange are listing one) and it reminded me that I'm surprised its name doesn't get mentioned more often in these discussions. The Patek style of chrono is attractive in itself, and suits the case/dial

[744ER]

A 5980 popped up on my instagram feed (watchxchange are listing one) and it reminded me that I'm surprised its name doesn't get mentioned more often in these discussions. The Patek style of chrono is attractive in itself, and suits the case/dial

Personally I think the bezel is way to thick. Proportions are all wrong, especially on the steel model. The Two-tone works better. I think they will redesign in the future.

[nunya]

Imo 5711 is the nautilus. Had one for a while, but my dad loved it, so gave it to him.
The 5780 is a great looking chrono, but felt really 'big' on the wrist, I think the design doesn't lend itself to the chunkier size.

As for complications, I prefer this one

A bargain at a mere £138,000 second hand

[Cinch]

Lovely the King of the modern day perpetual calendar chronograph

[watchlovr]

Proportions are all wrong, especially on the steel model.

WHAT?!!!!!!!

[kaiserphoenix]

A 5980 popped up on my instagram feed (watchxchange are listing one) and it reminded me that I'm surprised its name doesn't get mentioned more often in these discussions. The Patek style of chrono is attractive in itself, and suits the case/dial

That's probably because the 5980 or more recently 5990 is in a completely different price range tbh. If they were priced similarly to the 5712 I would take the 5990 all day long but the chronographs are much more expensive and frankly they r in a different ball game all together.


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[jeepie]

If we are just posting our favourite pateks, I like the 5170g black dial. https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/wi...ith-black-dial I really like the asymmetric dial of the 5712 if I was picking a nautilus...

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[Omegamanic]

I don't particularly like a 31 day date wheel - the date window is so much more elegant a solution. I don't like power reserves on dial either - so even though I like some elements of the 5712, the 5711 is so much more me. The 5980 is very nice, but maybe a little thick for what I'd want in a Patek.

I would like a 5370P though :)

[Deckard81]

I don't particularly like a 31 day date wheel - the date window is so much more elegant a solution. I don't like power reserves on dial either - so even though I like some elements of the 5712, the 5711 is so much more me. The 5980 is very nice, but maybe a little thick for what I'd want in a Patek.

I would like a 5370P though :)

I love the 5370p too. I'd be happy with the much cheaper 5170g also.


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[jeepie]

I love the 5370p too. I'd be happy with the much cheaper 5170g also.


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Yeah. Me too. Love the grail one upmanship

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[Omegamanic]

Well if we are talking about watches that are out of my league, then it may as well be around £200k as £50k ;)

So how about either a 5959P, or oven a 5002P!? :)

[Topcat30093]

^^^
good point


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[stooo]

The main use of a moo phase has nothing to do with the moon, and no use at all if you are single.


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[watchlovr]

Sorry chaps, I think I was just amazed to find out it was a function that I thought fairly useless when it was actually completed pointless.

I can't see me buying one but at least watch with time, date, day, month would be of use.
Moonphase, power indicator, nah, not for me.

Things which have a function please me, pointless things seem to annoy me, including pointless decoration inside and outside buildings.
The moonphase thing must have lit the touch paper

[Jdh1]

^^^ It's not just about function though, is it? If it was, you wouldn't spend £27 on a watch, let alone £27,000. As an aside, I'd argue that some of the features you cite as having useful function are every bit as redundant as the moonphase - maybe more so. Does anyone not know what day or month it is? I hope not.