I just wondered if anyone here now has or has previously had an Integrale and could give some owners advice-
I would really like to buy one but I'm slightly apprehensive that they are rust buckets and fall to bits...,.i just think they
look great and are obviously the business when it comes to handling......
I've never owned one, but I seem to recall they were all galvanised, so pretty rust resistant by the standards of the time.Originally Posted by farmkid
Not cheap to run and you'll need a specialist - I don't imagine they feel quite as quick as they did when I test drove one, when they were current, I decided I'd not keep my license long if I'd actually bought it!
The salesman and my wife both had it up to 120 on the test drive! Different times...
M
I had one for a month or so back in about 1994 when it was all but new- I looked after it for a friend who was on a training course abroad.
my niece also owned one for just over a year in about 2010
great cars and from memory much better put together than you may imagine. both were uk cars
i would think that buying as good a car as possible is the right way to go and maybe from Europe?
i don't think there are many undiscovered issues by now, the specialists like Walkers have found out all there is to know, I imagine.
i have a major relocation planned with ha raging and when done I will look for something like one of these
Goat
Wheeler Dealers renovated one a few years ago and I thought it looked a great car and went looking for one. I was amazed at how much they make now.
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
Oh, another thought.
Some are converted to RHD, but it's reckoned to be a really bad idea (I can't remember why - Something to do with the routing of the column or something?).
They were all LHD from the factory, even UK cars.
M
An old work friend of mine had one of the normal Deltas (ie not an Integrale) and that was an complete and utter rust bucket. I am not sure if the body of the Integrale was treated differently? I hope so!
Seems a bit unlikely!
M
New an owner of one over here - it was always being looked at for bits and pieces. He, imo, made the right choice and replaced it with a 911 GT3. They look good, but I think it would be a labour of love to keep it fine fettle.
It's just a matter of time...
Seem to recall the Wheeler Dealer's one that Eddie mentioned was a limited RHD from factory?
One of my all time fav motors. Would love an Evo 2
Same here - absolutely in love with them. Memories from a very young age watching them in the Safari Rally in Kenya....
Looking around there are some stories of a handful of 'factory' RHD cars (which they did seem to propogate), but they seem to be the stuff of urban myths.
The more credible sources all seem to rubbish the existence of these cars.
M.
My friend had one in the mid 90s (I'm sure they were much cheaper then) and it was an absolute hoot and looked amazing. Can't recall any rust problems at all - it was probably still fairly new then. I do seem to remember it had an intermittent electrical niggle, but whether this is typical of the model or was unique to his particular car is anyone's guess. I'd still love to own one, but as has been mentioned, good ones are going for big money these days.
My mate had a RHD one, the car looned out to the press for testing apparently.
Interesting-
That's the problem....I'd have to sell my 993 to get an Intergrale and I fear going from a bombproof rock solid car to a troublesome money pit....
but the Intergrale is far more interesting than a 911🤔
But was it a FACTORY built one or a conversion?
There are plenty of RHD conversions (some better than others and from reputable dealers/specialists), but the general view is that none are really successful.
M
It was a factory built car.
A friend used to have the Evo version. Nice car, rare as rocking and they do look cool...but it was a PITA to keep on the road. Parts were hard to get hold of and expensive, and they're not the most reliable of things. I'd personally have a 993 over a Delta (I am a Porsche fan boy) but it's a much safer usable bet. Which 993 do you have?
Infinitely. Part of the joy in owning a classic car is keeping it going. Whether you do the work yourself or pay a specialist, driving it is only part of the ownership experience. If you want Porsche reliability and ease of maintenance (go to dealers, drop it off, drive off in loan car etc) then stick with the 993.
Interesting...
I don't want to sound overly sceptical, but is there any evidence that it was RHD from the factory?
I believe some were converted pre-delivery in the UK, but I can't find any evidence (except a hint on Wikipedia - worth nothing) that Lancia ever built any Integrales with RHD (and much to state the opposite).
I'm more than happy to be proved wrong (as I said elsewhere 'every day is a school day'), but everything I've ever seen or read says there were no factory RHD cars...
M.
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about 8 years ago I did a day off-roading with these guys:-
http://www.kankku.co.uk/index.html
fab day, and the reason for posting this link is that the owner used to trade Integrale's and had a few knocking around in his garage. He had been trading them for years and seemed to know them inside out. Worth giving a call.
All I know is what I've been told from 2 different sources, I was sceptical too.
I can tell you it was red if that's any help ;-)
Ah, the RED one, I remember now!
An ongoing mystery though...
M
I Shall make enquiries.
Ah, the RED one, I remember now!
An ongoing mystery though...
M
The Intergrale was LHD only.
The RHD versions were a bit of a chop-shop design, using HF Turbo dashboards, steering rack from various cars like the HF Turbo or Fiat Regata Van.
soucre:
http://www.scoobynet.com/other-marqu...le-to-rhd.html
I'm going by memory here so could be wrong but I recall a small number of cars were officially converted by the importer Lancia UK, in the same way that a very small number of Alfa spider's had been by the importer years before.
So while not "factory" they would have the importers backing, have come converted direct from the dealer and benefitted of a full factory warranty.
I'm sure I'd have more info in one of my autocar or EVO magazines but they have all long gone.
That's my understanding and the conversion was carried out by a dealer (at the importer's request), but it was like having an aftermarket sunroof fitted (maybe a Crayford Capri is a more apposite comparison) at a dealer rather than being a factory developed version.
Parts were apparently, as someone else mentioned, a bit random in their selection as there was no PROPER RHD rack (for example) for the 4WD Delta.
There are, also, a lot of less 'official' RHD conversions.
M.
And not all the Spider's were done to the same standard. Some were shockingly poor. Could be the same for the Lancias?
I was a passenger in one back in the late 80's on a trip down to Le Mans- an absolute hoot - a rich friend of a friend
It's a 1996 bog standard C2 manual coupe with the varioram engine.
Luckily I bought it about 5 years ago when they were at their lowest price....
It's been amazing for a car 20 yrs old- it hasn't missed a beat...ultra reliable.
At the time I wanted the wide body C2s version but could not afford the 30 odd grand- they are now £70k!
All things considered maybe I'd be stupid to risk the ownership issues of the Intergrale- I understand there is a
certain joy to keeping classics on the road- but when I collect a car from the garage and get asked to hand over my credit card I do not feel any joy.....only pain and sorrow.
I'll keep an eye on the Lancia classifieds and day dream for now....
Have and still own one, had it years..
They where never RHD, most RHD conversions where done by John Whalley ( now retired ), i do think Walkers may have converted a couple.. In most owners opinion myself included the RHD aren't great as it takes away some of the quirkiness / DNA from the car, 2nd hand values reflect this opinion
They were never galvanised, and the shells do suffer badly from corrosion and stress fractures ( a problem due to the size and power of the engine in a shell that was designed in the 1970's for a 1300cc ).. Although most, not all have had fastidious owners..
If you want to own one be prepared to spend a lot of your time looking for parts ( the internet helps! ), there are specialists some good some awful and you really need to be in the owners club..
If there is anything specific you need or want to know drop me a PM.
Saintsinner- can you post a couple of pics of your car?
Had one years ago. A VERY common rust spot is the top of the tailgate and top of the roof where the two meet.
Steering racks are expensive and a little bit prone to failure.
LHD the way to go as the RHD conversions used standard Delta racks which are nowhere near as direct.
Will send some via PM as they have reg. no attached
Your not wrong there...
However replacement roof repair panels are available, tailgates are becoming less so..
https://www.classiccarpartsandpanels...tegory/lancia/
I had an Evo 1 a few years back, if you drop me a PM I'm happy to have a chat through my experience.
Here we go , Imported by Lancia UK and converted to RHD. Used by Penti Arrikoka to chauffeur journalists around Brands Hatch as a promo car.
Thanks - Yes, that makes sense.
Definitely red, right?
M.
It looked red when I saw it
Yes, yes, but what about the carIt looked red when I saw it
I had one back in the late 90's, it came with a stack of bills that would have bankrupted me including a full engine rebuild, certainly wasn't a leggy one. I had to have the roof repaired / sprayed due to rust. The electrics were hugely temporamental, had to push it off a petrol station forcourt once due to a leaking pipe linking the two sections of fuel tank, the alcantara seats were always 'bobbling' so you had to pretty much shave them. Spares are an issue, even silly things like the screws that hold the rear lights in place were Lancia only jobs as the screw head was plastic to match the section of the light it fixed through,
Final straw was a whining dif which was replaced but the whining remained so I cut my losses and sold it, It got to the point I was worried to drive it knowing something else was likely to brake soon. There used to be an active forum called Evocorner for Lancia owners and some of the owners on there had horrific stories regarding maintenance bills and the need to constantly replace suspension bushes etc.
I think the guy that bought it off me got about a year out of it before he took it off the road and thats where its stayed ever since to my knowledge.
Fantastic cars. Best mate ran an EVO for a while as an everyday car and it was generally reliable. Awesome handling and great fun on boost. The bills were always four digits before the decimal point though, just look in the engine bay and imagine trying to do an oil filter change.
My dad had one for a few years. Great car, although being thrown around as a passenger in it was a bit frightening sometimes. He did spend a lot of money sorting out some rust and other issues with it during his ownership. It was probably off the road more than on it. It did appreciate in value though and I remember him saying that overall he didn't lose money on it. Never drove myself, I could drive but was too young to be trusted with it!
I've had two.
In 2001 I bought a 1995 Evo 2 Dealer collection. So basically a 6 year old car and it was epic however - the service costs and electrics were a nightmare.
Mine was number 178 - looked like this but my photos of the time are on film not digital!
I bought it for £15,000 and sold it for about the same. Since then the price of them has shot up.
In 2006 I bought a 16v which had been fully rebuilt and tuned to about 270hp. It was basically too quick for the age of the car and I sold it within a couple of months.
I ache every time I see one and in it's day it was an amazing car. I remember driving the EVO2 from the Midlands to Fort William where my dad lived and doing a 100 mile an hour hour on the motorway and blasting along over Rannoch moor at insane speeds. I have never driven a car with such a good driving position and feel - it was so nimble and responsive. On another journey back from Brighton I had a great tussle with a Lotus Elise all the way up the A23. Similar speeds but I had way more grip on the roundabouts.
But servicing and electrics are a joke and the engine bay is too small for the engine and turbocharger to make work easy. With them being 20 years old now for the newest example I would probably buy something else. Hot hatches have moved on and the new Focus RS would be better and safer in every possible way.
But if I had the money... yeah I'd have another.
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