Reply With QuoteI think you can add Gerald Genta under LVMH (although it's a bit difficult to make out whether they still exist in their own right or have been completely subsumed into Bvlgari).
For some time I have been interested in the relationship between different brands and the companies who own them. As a consequence I have tried to put together a list.
Health Warning. Most of the comes from the Interweb so it might not be 100% accurate also its not 100% complete.
Swatch - Omega, Longines, Tissot, Lemania, Piguet, Breguet, Rado, Harry Winston, Jaquet Droz, Glashutte Original, Hamlton, Certina, Mido, Balmain, Endura, Tiffany
Richemont - Cartier, Dunhill, Montblanc, Vacheron, Panerai, Van Cleef, JLC, IWC, Lange and Sonn, Minerva, Polo Ralph Lauren, Roger Dubis, Baume et Mercier
Audermars Piguet
Rolex - Tudor
Time Factors - Smiths, Precista, Swells, Speedbird, Dreadnought.
Patek
Breitling
LVHM - Bulgari, Chaumet, De Beers, FRED, Hublot, TAG Heuer, Ebel, Zenith
Kering/Solwind - Girad Perregaux, Gucci, JeanRichard, Ulysse Nardin
Franck Muller
Hanhart
Nomos
Tutima
Waltham
Fossil - Zodiac
Titan - Favre-Leuba
Invicta
Bremont
Casio
Seiko - Credor, Grand Seiko, Pulsar, Lorus
Sinn
FP Journe
Ball
Rotary
Richard Mille
Citizen - Bulova
Festina - Jaguar, Perrelet, Soprod
Corum - Eterna
Choppard
Oris
Chronoswiss
Please feel free to add. Apologies in advance for those I have missed out i.e. U-Boat (but who cares)
Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not to hit it at all.
Friedrich Nietzsche
I think you can add Gerald Genta under LVMH (although it's a bit difficult to make out whether they still exist in their own right or have been completely subsumed into Bvlgari).
Are Ball not part of the Swatch group?
Should also add Blancpain to Swatch
Glycine are worth mentioning, and are independent.
Some addedOriginally Posted by Andyg
For some time I have been interested in the relationship between different brands and the companies who own them. As a consequence I have tried to put together a list.
Health Warning. Most of the comes from the Interweb so it might not be 100% accurate also its not 100% complete.
Swatch - Omega, Longines, Tissot, Lemania, Piguet, Breguet, Rado, Harry Winston, Jaquet Droz, Glashutte Original, Hamlton, Certina, Mido, Balmain, Endura, Tiffany, Swatch, Flik-Flak, Union Glashutte, Leon Hatot, Blancpain
Richemont - Cartier, Dunhill, Montblanc, Vacheron, Panerai, Van Cleef, JLC, IWC, Lange and Sonn, Minerva, Polo Ralph Lauren, Roger Dubuis, Baume et Mercier, Piaget
Audermars Piguet
Wilsdorf Foundation - Rolex SA & Montres Tudor SA
Time Factors - Smiths, Precista, Swells, Speedbird, Dreadnought.
Patek
Breitling
LVHM - Bulgari, Chaumet, De Beers, FRED, Hublot, TAG Heuer, Ebel, Zenith
Kering/Solwind - Girad Perregaux, Gucci, JeanRichard, Ulysse Nardin
Franck Muller
Hanhart
Nomos
Tutima
Waltham
Fossil - Zodiac
Titan - Favre-Leuba
Invicta
Bremont
Casio Electronics Co. - Casio
Seiko Holdings Corporation (One of the 3 companies making up the Seiko Group) - Seiko, Credor, Grand Seiko, Pulsar, Lorus, Orient
Sinn
FP Journe
Ball
Dreyfuss Group Holdings - Rotary, Dreyfuss & Co
Richard Mille
Citizen - Bulova
Festina - Jaguar, Perrelet, Soprod
Corum - Eterna
Chopard Group - Chopard, Ferdinand Berthoud
Oris
Chronoswiss
Please feel free to add. Apologies in advance for those I have missed out i.e. U-Boat (but who cares
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Bell & Ross are independent I think??
Yep, they are a French company, but with a manufacturing base in Switzerland
Orient is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Seiko
Thanks Chaps - I cannot believe I missed Blancpain (as a owner!!)
Swatch - Omega, Longines, Tissot, Lemania, Piguet, Breguet, Rado, Harry Winston, Jaquet Droz, Glashutte Original, Hamlton, Certina, Mido, Balmain, Endura, Tiffany, Swatch, Flik-Flak, Union Glashutte, Leon Hatot, Blancpain
Richemont - Cartier, Dunhill, Montblanc, Vacheron, Panerai, Van Cleef, JLC, IWC, Lange and Sonn, Minerva, Polo Ralph Lauren, Roger Dubuis, Baume et Mercier, Piaget
Audermars Piguet
Wilsdorf Foundation - Rolex SA & Montres Tudor SA
Time Factors - Smiths, Precista, Swells, Speedbird, Dreadnought.
Patek
Breitling
LVHM - Bulgari, Chaumet, De Beers, FRED, Hublot, TAG Heuer, Ebel, Zenith, Gerald Genta (case design).
Kering/Solwind - Girad Perregaux, Gucci, JeanRichard, Ulysse Nardin
Franck Muller
Hanhart
Nomos
Tutima
Waltham
Fossil - Zodiac
Titan - Favre-Leuba
Invicta
Bremont
Casio Electronics Co. - Casio
Seiko Holdings Corporation (One of the 3 companies making up the Seiko Group) - Seiko, Credor, Grand Seiko, Pulsar, Lorus
Sinn
FP Journe
Ball
Dreyfuss Group Holdings - Rotary, Dreyfuss & Co
Richard Mille
Citizen - Bulova
Festina - Jaguar, Perrelet, Soprod
Corum - Eterna
Choppard Group - Choppard, Ferdinand Berthoud
Oris
Chronoswiss
Bell and Ross.
Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not to hit it at all.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Oh yeah, missed that one, now added
Chopard.
J and T Windmills is also part of The Dreyfuss Group.
Citizen Group / Holdings own Arnold & Son. Possibly through Prothor / Manufacture La Joux-Perret SA. Doesn't MLJP own Angelus?
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THANK YOU!!
Dreyfuss Group with brands Rotary, Dreyfuss & Co and J &T Windmills is itself owned by China Haidian
Good call. Do they still own Eterna and Corum too?
Ebel is owned by Movado (not LVHM). Other brands include Concord and 'fashion' watches like Hugo Boss and Lacoste.
Stelux owns:
Universal Geneve
Solvil et Titus
Pronto
Catena (Nope, me neither)
I think Fortis are also an independent.
Fossil - Zodiac, Burberry, Michael Kors, Skagen + a load of fashion brands.
My understanding is that they do, and through Eterna they have the global license for Porsche Design.
Therefore China Haidan= Eterna, Corum, Porsche Design, Rotary, Dreyfuss & Co, J &T Windmills
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j. Springs is owned by Seiko I think?
Stowa?
Damasko?
Both independents
Oops beaten to it!
Ickler - Archimede, Limes Defakto based in Germany.
Re-jigged and updated list (sorry, bored at work)
Swatch - Omega, Longines, Tissot, Lemania, Piaget, Breguet, Rado, Harry Winston, Jaquet Droz, Glashutte Original, Hamlton, Certina, Mido, Balmain, Endura, Tiffany, Swatch, Flik-Flak, Union Glashutte, Leon Hatot, Blancpain
Wilsdorf Foundation - Rolex SA & Montres Tudor SA
Time Factors - Smiths, Precista, Swells, Speedbird, Dreadnought.
Richemont - Cartier, Dunhill, Montblanc, Vacheron, Panerai, Van Cleef, JLC, IWC, Lange and Sonn, Minerva, Polo Ralph Lauren, Roger Dubuis, Baume et Mercier, Piaget
Seiko Holdings Corporation (One of the 3 companies making up the Seiko Group) - Seiko, Credor, Grand Seiko, Pulsar, Lorus, Orient, J.Spring
LVHM - Bulgari, Chaumet, De Beers, FRED, Hublot, TAG Heuer, Zenith, Gerald Genta (case design).
Festina - Jaguar, Perrelet, Soprod
Fossil - Zodiac, Burberry, Michael Kors, Skagen
Chopard Group - Chopard, Ferdinand Berthoud
China Haidan= Eterna, Corum, Porsche Design, Rotary, Dreyfuss & Co, J &T Windmills
Stelux - Universal Geneve, Solvil et Titus, Pronto, Catena
Kering/Solwind - Girad Perregaux, Gucci, JeanRichard, Ulysse Nardin
Movado – Ebel, Concord, Hugo Boss, Lacoste
Ickler - Archimede, Limes Defakto
Titan - Favre-Leuba
Citizen - Bulova
Luxury Holdings- Bedat
Indies:
Audemars Piguet, Patek, Breitling, Franck Muller, Hanhart, Nomos, Tutima, Waltham, Invicta, Bremont, Casio, Sinn, Stowa, Damasko, FP Journe, Ball, Richard Mille, Oris, Chronoswiss, Bell & Ross.
Last edited by gentlemenpreferhats; 15th September 2015 at 17:23.
Marathon, CwC.
Seiko is also owner of Wired and Alba brands.
The brands that they operate through the Seiko Watch Corporation are: Grand Seiko, Dolce & Exceline, Brightz, Lukia, Prospex, iu, Ruse, Spirit, Alpinist, Ignition, Premier, Velatura, Coutura, Arctura, Sportura, Criteria, Rivoli, Vivace, etc.), Credor, Galante, Wired, Wired XYZ, Pulsar, Lorus.
Not all of them should be considerated as watch brands, but just part of a wide range of products of Seiko.
Seiko Nextage Co., Ltd. owns Alba and licensed brand watches.
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Tutima own Boccia.
Chung Nam (Hong Kong) owns Roamer, Hanowa and Tick Tack (who make watches for Savoy, Aigner, Escada, Nina Ricci Hanowa, Savoy, Aigner, Escada, Nina Ricci, Christian LaCroix, Police).
Chung Nam also owns movement maker ISA Prestige Time.
Nope. Porsche Design owned Eterna, whom were sold off to CH.
PD have a new manufacturing facility in Switzerland now, and the first models were released in June/July.
I believe Arnold & Son are owned by Citizen.
Don't forget......Zeno-watch Basel - Independent.
Maybe we should do a list of brands that are still independent?
I'm not an expert but I think we should include:
- U-Boat -
- Frederique Constant
- Graham - though may be excluded for the same reason as U-Boat
- SevenFriday
- Edox
I think these are all independent (but happy to be corrected.)
A
Apparently not
Gevril group contains:
Edox
Versace
Ferragamo
Gevril
Fortis
Versace Versus
GV2
Haurex
Johna Eric
Louis Eraud
Rüdiger
Just Cavalli
Jowissa
Calibre
Hush Puppies
Giulio Romano
http://gevrilgroup.com/edox-watches/
http://gevrilgroup.com/our-watch-brands/
It's curious that Edox doesn't feature on the Our Brands page of the Gevril website and has its' own page.
Seiko Epson Corp, of which Seiko Holdings is also a subsidiary. So under the same umbrella rather than being owned by Seiko watches (Holdings).
I considered using the full name ( this subject has come up before on the forum ) but in my experience no one desperately cares about the corporate structure, just what it says on the dial.
Paul
Majority owned by Chanel. One reason B&R does so many ceramic cased watches; Chanel has form, and one of the few ceramic case-making facilities outside of Swatchco (the former Chatelain case and bracelet manufacturer, owned by Chanel and producing ceramics also for other low volume manufacturers such as MB&F and Richard Mille).
...but what do I know; I don't even like watches!
I have read an article on this very topic a while ago, which I have found very interestig. Maybe this could help?
http://www.watchtime.com/featured/wh...-watch-groups/
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Raymond Weil?
Not much love amongst collectors sadly, but one of the last big Swiss independents.
Nope PD sold Eterna to International Volant Ltd, a subsidiary of China Haidan
Sinn. ?
Fortis. ?
Vulcain ?
BRM ?
Bovet ?
Fredrick Constant ?
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And list keeps growing
Last edited by rob-vicar; 16th September 2015 at 13:04.
Cecil ?
Romain Jerome ?
Briston ?
Pah! all post millenium up starts !
Upstarts?Pah! all post millenium up starts !
Yes post millennium upstarts
RJ = 2004
Cecil Purnell = 2006
Briston = 2012
Good reference. That covers the majority of siginificant companies that are non-independently owned, and is a good answer to the "who owns whom?" question.
For me, the most significant independents are Rolex, Audemars Piguet, Patek Philippe, Nomos and Breitling.
We could go on all day listing the smaller independents.
I'll throw these into the ring, no idea who owns them though -
De Bethune
Urwurk
Basilika / Poljot
Carl F Bucherer
Have you covered all of Brendan Hoey's list: link?
Anyone else surprised that
?Cartier is the largest brand in Richemont’s portfolio and the number-two watch brand in the world after Rolex.
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