Reply With QuoteYes it's very nice.....but to me, not £115,000 nice!!
Of course if my bank balance was different I might change my mind.
mike
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I have to say...if I was going to spend 100K on a watch...it would be a Roger Smith.
But it's *ahem* rather a lot of money.
A beautiful thing though and for once all the talk of "craftsman" and "provenance" is real.
Yes it's very nice.....but to me, not £115,000 nice!!
Of course if my bank balance was different I might change my mind.
mike
That does absolutely nothing for me. I hate Roman numerals, the small seconds is too big and the engraving, especially 'Isle of Man' looks like I did it with the point of a compass.
I understand where the cost of a movement comes from i.e. a JLC with eight complications just blows my mind. Can anyone explain the cost of this to me?
EVERY single piece of it is made by hand.Originally Posted by TaketheCannoli
That hour hand!
Meh, the engraving is awful. The watch does nothing for me, so I will put my cheque book away.
That low scraping noise some of us are experiencing is the sound of some people just not understanding...
it's an amazing watch but an iconic watchmaker, but sorry it does nothing for me
i appreciate who he is and the work that went into it, but its like art you just don't like. Just because people tell you the artists is talented and it's a great investment, unless you like it you shouldn't buy it
weirdly i would have thought they were worth much more then this
Hopefully people will go away and do some reading...
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2015...-years-to-make
Fully agree with that - however it's bang on design-wise with what I'd like!
I could part with a few watches in my collection, perhaps 4 of my nicest pieces to get this. I can't however see that I would get more pleasure from doing so at the moment, I enjoy the variety too much. At the moment I am buying more than I'm parting with, I go through this phase every few years and then suddenly there is a mass exodus and far fewer watches of higher quality are bought with the proceeds. I don't know if I am ready for this step though...
A mate of mine has just bought a new Range Rover, cash, for £106k. I know what I'd rather have, and what will hold its value better!
Worth a quick read, I wonder who owns his original watch? And what it must be worth now...
It will obviously be as perfect as a Voutilainen, but the design seems like a sterile copy of a Breguet to my poor eyes. I'm glad it (and Roger Smith, of course) exists and I'd enjoy seeing it in a museum (esp if I could get at it with a loupe!), but that would be enough for me!
He hasn't used Breguet hands which are the defining characteristic!
The current Breguet Classique range epitomises classical watchmaking anyway (to me, at least) so it was inevitable there would perhaps be some crossover.
Yes, I take both your points, but still :-
Very nice, but it won't get a sale on TZ-UK. It doesn't have the necessary 'strap changing marks'.
No argument there; Roman numerals + guilloche = (usually) BreguetYes, I take both your points, but still :-
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First thing that came on my mind when I saw it. Still very nice, and I do kind of understand it as it's not trying to be different or distinct.
I like it but agree it's more a work of art. The Breguet design references are not surprising given the full heritage.
exactly.Yes it's very nice.....but to me, not £115,000 nice!!
Of course if my bank balance was different I might change my mind.
mike
TBH, you could pay someone on minimum wage to sit about just to answer whenever you asked 'what time is it?' and retain £87,000 for another purpose.
Your point being? Bearing in mind this is a forum for watch enthusiasts...
Not sure I'd buy that particular one - but I'd love to buy one. It would certainly be a way of getting done to between 1-3 watches ;)
I was at a Patek dinner the other year and one of the other guests was wearing their Daniels Co-Axial - when they passed around a very nice and expensive Patek he compared it to his watch and said "makes my Daniels look like a piece of ****" ;)
I'd still have preferred to own the Daniels and and I am sure the owner did too - but the Patek looked almost perfect and not look like a low volume hand made watch.
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& after 7-10 years - then what?
It's just a matter of time...
£115,000 - £87,000 = £28,000... is that really minimum wage these days??! Surely not?!
Depends on how many hours you can make them work I suppose ;) Or call them a manager and pay them no overtime and get away with less than minimum wage - at least in the US :)
It's just a matter of time...
The caseback is exquisite. How come th water resistance is not described.
To me a Daniels is a bit like an early Aston Martin or Bentley - British, hand build, very rare, very interesting and historic. All things which come at a price.
To compare a Daniels with any thing new from Switzerland, is like comparing the same Aston Martin with any mass produced Car - not matter how fast or technologically advanced.
If you feel the need to compare it with anything, try a Harrison - in which case the Daniels is actually quite cheap
Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not to hit it at all.
Friedrich Nietzsche
For real?
Agreed...and for me at least very much the point of the thing and the reason it is a watch that I really desire.To me a Daniels is a bit like an early Aston Martin or Bentley - British, hand build, very rare, very interesting and historic. All things which come at a price.
To compare a Daniels with any thing new from Switzerland, is like comparing the same Aston Martin with any mass produced Car - not matter how fast or technologically advanced.
If you feel the need to compare it with anything, try a Harrison - in which case the Daniels is actually quite cheap
I quite like the romance of the thing and knowing it was "made" rather than "produced" which is of course very silly and subjective, but then again so is buying pretty much any watch costing more than a Timex (who make some quite nice watches actually).
Even the higher end brands are produced in quite large numbers now and therefore feel more like a Merc/Audi (and none the worse for that) to me.
This thing was "made" and for that reason I will forgive and indeed cherish its imperfections.
Well...I would if I'd spent the money on it at least but...that's quite a lot of money on a watch, even if it is art.
It's an odd situation - I could buy this and I assume it would only appreciate in value, but I don't like idea of buying a watch purely as an investment because I'm an enthusiast and prefer to wear my watches. Any yet I don't actually really like this watch a great deal so I wouldn't wear it. Oh well...
SGR
Obviously most of the cost is due to the amount of time it takes to hand make and finish the watch .Also you are paying for the rarity and uniqueness of it.I would love to have one but that is very unlikely about the same odds of winning a euro lottery rollover .The person that ownes a Roger smith will also own many other top watch brands they wouldn't sell everything else for that one watch .It would be nice to see other people making their own movements in the UK maybe not as highend as Roger smith but still high quality.
Ceratinly Patek (70-80,000 per year) et al are basically beautifully mass-produced, but there is still the likes of F.P. Journe...
There is something about the Journe that just screams 'hand-made'. I think their production is around 700-800 per year, if you think how many are in the range, then there really are only a handful of each type made. No it's no Daniels/RW Smith, nowhere near but... it allows a mere mortal to own something more special than the mass-produced higher-end.
40mm Platinum Octa Divine.
When was the Breguet Classique Power Reserve 5277 launched, by the way?
Whilst it's an amazing watch that I'm afraid I will never own, the bottom of the dial would drive me mad where the two cut outs are, I think it would look much better with a complete circle.
Cheers
Simon
Ralph Waldo Emerson: We ask for long life, but 'tis deep life, or noble moments that signify. Let the measure of time be spiritual, not mechanical.
Good point - probably more recent than that Roger Smith. My point however was a more general stylistic one. For me (IMHO etc etc), the modern Breguet Classiques are beautifully made, but not terribly innovative design-wise - and that seems OK at their price point; at Roger Smith's price point, I would be looking for a more imaginative take on classic styling - more Voutilainen than Smith (though I'd be happy to have one of each!).
You probably need to check out Urban Jürgensen & Sønner then.
Hmm, good thought - harder to come by than Breguets, I guess, but a lot nearer my price point than Smith et al! The blue-dialled 1140L looks a stunner (and just about attainable); shame it doesn't have a power reserve indicator.
I've been thinking about getting a Breguet, so maybe I should save up a bit more!
Hand made OK but....
But nothing...
that's the point of it (at least for me). It was "made" and not "produced".
It comes down to preference I suppose, does one buy an Audi or a Morgan?
The Audi is the "better" car without a doubt but I would never ever buy one.
And perhaps that is the joy of difference?
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He must be applauded for producing a classic English wristwatch from scratch, without any production line machine made components, to the highest possible standard attainable. I don't think he makes watches with any sort of potential market in mind.
Without him many of these techniques would be the stuff of old books and museums.
I really hope he has a successor waiting in the wings.
I guess everyone here must have watched and thoroughly enjoyed this fascinating video as I did.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QAD7VJ09wSE
I would probably blow the lute on coke, escorts and vodka.
This must be photoshopped. Smith's work can't be so bad.Hand made OK but....
The up close pictures Ive seen are far better than that.
There's no way that watch left Roger's workshop looking like that.
Here's an example of the engraving he does – http://www.watchprosite.com/?show=fo...3291&ti=646381
I'd hazard a guess that the dial shown has been done after the watch was purchased.
The dial is a replica replacement or has been modified post-purchase by someone other than Roger or his employees – the II definitely doesn't look like a Series 2 engraved numeral, and the main area isn't checkerboard like the PR section.
Poor form loqv75 – you should've done more research before posting that as an example of Roger's output.
Whoever did the modification is a rank amateur, and isn't even fit to engrave a name on the plaque of a cheap plastic trophy for primary school sports day presentation.
I think it looks alright, even if it's not the kind of watch I would usually go for. I wouldn't be surprised if the photos don't do it justice though and it looks a lot better in the flesh. Definitely worse ways to spend £100k.
I can respect the maker, and the usual quality of his work, especially the bespoke nature of it, but.
Not for me, not keen on roman numerals, even if they were painted properly ( the III is shocking) and some look as if the paint was running out, I don't like power reserves as I haven't seen one yet that looks part of the design and what's U-D?, they just seem stuck on for trick value. The 'small' seconds dial is too big. The RW SMITH 'badge' doesn't fit correctly within the arc of the dial and looks like it was coloured in by a child who nearly stayed in the lines!
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