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Thread: Substitution theft: Rolex DEEPSEA SeaDweller 116660-V140755

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    Substitution theft: Rolex DEEPSEA SeaDweller 116660-V140755

    15:10 on Saturday 28th March in Salford, Manchester.

    It is reported that Rolex DEEPSEA SeaDweller 116660-V140755 was swapped for a fake by two men whose pictures have been very clearly captured on CCTV. I am not permitted to show the pictures forwarded by the store at this time. The men were challenged by the store but they became aggressive and left with the watch.

    CONTACT GREATER MANCHESTER POLICE ON 101 QUOTING
    CRIME REFERENCE NUMBER 052522G/15
    if you are offered the watch.

    Information from the not-for-profit Safergems UK Watch Register, yet again. Traders / dealers, p.m. me if you want to know more about this.

    With kind regards,

    Haywood M
    Last edited by Haywood_Milton; 31st March 2015 at 13:12. Reason: typo

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    Eyes are peeled

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    That is a really bold move. Hope they are caught.

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    Can't help thinking the gems would be even safer if that register were public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitfield View Post
    Can't help thinking the gems would be even safer if that register were public.
    Have you been following my threads about the Safergems Watch Register here over recent months, and where it is headed?

    It will not be a register closed to anyone and I have worked for chuffing months --- for nothing --- to get the thing on the right track for the benefit of the trade like me and private owners / collectors like many here. Only last week, at my cost, I was helping Safergems with a logo design so that it can start to be promoted on relevant websites. It is a not for profit operation run under the auspices of the British Security Industry Association, is backed by UK jewellery trade bodies and major jewellery underwriters / insurers, and is receiving live data from all the UK's police forces with historical data also now being added. You may like to look through my threads in this very section of tz-UK to see what I have published so far, to the benefit of all. Apart from anything else, what have I had to gain from publishing lists of stolen watches here, other than awareness of the Register? I promote it because I believe it will offer a worthwhile database, open access and the best route forward for us all in an environment where all other resources have essentially been taken from those who wish to buy with due diligence.

    I apologise if I seem rather defensive but your comment, albeit containing perhaps an amusing play on words, seems to contain an unfair attack on the very arrangement designed to deal with the problems you identify, very important problems to all here.

    I have involved tz-UK and its members openly and with more directness than any other forum, while the first wave of users trial the system and Safergems gear up for the increasing numbers of calls and then perhaps web-based enquiries.

    It's an open forum where you can say what you like, but of all the things one could attack here on tz I really do wonder if this was the right target.

    I am sure we are on the same side in the wider discussion. I've swung my handbag, but hope you can understand why :-)

    Haywood Milton

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton View Post
    Have you been following my threads about the Safergems Watch Register here over recent months, and where it is headed?
    Sorry, no.

    Not attacking you. I didn't know you had anything to do with it. I'm glad to hear it'll be public, though. Thanks for what you've done to help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitfield View Post
    Sorry, no.

    Not attacking you. I didn't know you had anything to do with it. I'm glad to hear it'll be public, though. Thanks for what you've done to help!
    Good man, thankyou

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    Can only be a good idea for the register.

    Details noted.
    Ian

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    I had an Omega stolen a few years ago and was astonished at the time that there wasn't some sort of central, or omega register, particularly when we are talking about valuable items which have an individual reference number stamped on them after all!

    I'd also support such a register and thanks to those putting the effort in on this.

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    thought you could check with Rolex if serial numbers were dodgy? Or is that only if a previously stolen watch is in for a service?

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    I know this is unrelated, but I emailed BUK the other day, and they checked their worldwide stolen database for me based on a serial number I gave them (free of charge, and actually without asking - I only asked for a service report), so they must hold their own register.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euan Begbie View Post
    thought you could check with Rolex if serial numbers were dodgy? Or is that only if a previously stolen watch is in for a service?
    Not any more. To the bemusement of many in the trade, including insurers, Rolex UK withdrew general access to their Lost and Stolen records a few years ago. Access remains in place for main agents and police, but with this massive reduction the list has been increasingly less well used and effective.

    There have been extensive threads about the topic on the main forum with much sensible comment, usually my own ;-)

    Haywood M

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    Quote Originally Posted by ach5 View Post
    I know this is unrelated, but I emailed BUK the other day, and they checked their worldwide stolen database for me based on a serial number I gave them (free of charge, and actually without asking - I only asked for a service report), so they must hold their own register.
    Yes, Breitling UK do currently maintain a list and allow general access through their Customer Service staff.

    They are one of very few brands which do !

    Haywood Milton

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoPhil View Post
    As we are watching the Tris thread unfold, perhaps its actually a good idea to not make these stolen watch SN's available. Had there been a public database in place, there is a high probability that Tris would have checked the database and then perhaps some chance he would have sent the watch to be fixed by a local jeweler instead, knowing that Rolex may confiscate his watch. Im not saying this is an honest or dishonest thing to do.....I leave that for the morals police.....but a stolen watch was returned to its owner possibly BECAUSE that database was not public information.
    I disagree. A public database means any jeweller or repair specialist can check and action can be taken. Thieves will generally steal in order to fence off the goods asap and will not bother to make checks or get the watch serviced by Rolex before they get rid of the goods. Only a thief who steals for himself, or someone who has a watch stolen to order would be this careful.
    As for a victim of buying a stolen watch who, after checking the database, is now in knowingly in possession of stolen goods.....well that's a scenario for another thread.

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    Well...Chicagophil self imploded and left in a hurry.. Praise the lord!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oblivion View Post
    Well...Chicagophil self imploded and left in a hurry..
    Not as far as he knows.

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