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    2017 Americas Cup - is Britain in with a chance this time?

    Ben Ainslie is heading up Team GB in the challenge round, so as long as the money holds out we might be in for some interesting sailing ahead!

    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/201...7-americas-cup

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    Yes agreed, with Ben at the helm we have more than just a chance.

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    A fantastic sailor no doubt. Maybe lacks proper match racing experience.

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    Word is that Adrian Newey might become involved. Aerodynamics and hydrodynamics are more or less the same science, and Adrian has been looking for a fresh challenge.

    As for Sir Ben lacking experience - wasn't he parachuted into the New Zealand team which subsequently achieved one of the great sporting comebacks of all time? It's hard to imagine somebody better suited to the task.

    As usual, it will only be a question of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backward point View Post
    Word is that Adrian Newey might become involved. Aerodynamics and hydrodynamics are more or less the same science, and Adrian has been looking for a fresh challenge.

    As for Sir Ben lacking experience - wasn't he parachuted into the New Zealand team which subsequently achieved one of the great sporting comebacks of all time? It's hard to imagine somebody better suited to the task.

    As usual, it will only be a question of money.
    He certainly has the tactical and strategic nous for the events itself - i took the comment to mean does he have the experience of running a team, dealing with the money aspects and all the logistical tasks etc. Great sportsmen don't always make great managers - only some of the skill sets are involved in both aspects and each side has a unique aspect that the other doesn't.

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    While Ben may not have experience of team management he's certainly been in the right place to see how they work. Everyone has to start somewhere...why not at the top?

    Whether or not his personality is suited to the task remains to be seen. It could be that he's a bit of an individualist. However there is plenty of management experience amongst the backers (link), so hopefully they'll be able to guide him...and the team...to success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    A fantastic sailor no doubt. Maybe lacks proper match racing experience.
    ???

    Irony, I hope!?

    I'm not British, so even without the usual chauvinism I would say he's one of the best sailors ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thieuster View Post
    ???

    Irony, I hope!?

    I'm not British, so even without the usual chauvinism I would say he's one of the best sailors ever.

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    There was no irony, and I am not British so no chauvinism from me. Many successful AC defenders/attackers were unknown in the sailing world outside of their very specific subject.
    Likewise, many great names in sailing got their butt kicked in match racing. It really is very specific, and there is nothing I know that will allow me to predict with any insight how good a challenge Ainslie will mount.

    It is true that now we have moved away from the 'traditional' jauge things can open up. We'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    A fantastic sailor no doubt. Maybe lacks proper match racing experience.
    See America's Cup and World Match Racing Tour. It seems he's been match racing since 2005...with a degree of success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PickleB View Post
    See America's Cup and World Match Racing Tour. So It seems he's been match racing since 2005...with a degree of success.
    I know. We'll see...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    I know. We'll see...
    So what is proper match racing, please? As in:

    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    A fantastic sailor no doubt. Maybe lacks proper match racing experience.

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    I will have to ask my brother - he's heavily involved in the handicap and coursee setting etc, flies all over the world checking the boats before during and after the cup. All goes over my head as I'm not really into sailing!

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    I am very happy to see that Bermuda will be the host nation! Sorry San-D!

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    "Hey-Ho"...Chris Draper, JPN tactician, being very magnanimous!

    I believe that this should be tomorrow's programme:

    race
    7 SE v FR
    8 US v GB
    9 JP v NZ
    10 US v SE
    11 NZ v GB
    12 JP v US

    Here's hoping BAR can make good their damage overnight...they have two critical races to complete!

    Summary of day #1: www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UJFJi7m4no
    Last edited by PickleB; 28th May 2017 at 08:56. Reason: getting the name right

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    In case you missed it:


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    That was a fair whack.

    It's gone from bad to worse, 4 defeats on the bounce http://www.bbc.com/sport/sailing/40066616

    Let's hope they can regroup.

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    Will be watching, I think the GB team are definitely in with a very good chance of winning.
    Thanks for posting.

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    I found this site today while looking for some info about the boats to be used in AC35: CupInfo.

    What prompted my search was watching a YouTube video from AC34 where they used the AC72 as opposed to the AC45F being used this time around. This picture illustrates the difference (the AC48...and AC62...never came into being, as far as I can tell):


    courtesy of Chevalier Taglang

    ...and the crew size comes down from 11 to 6 (5 + 1 guest, according to some sites). But they've managed to tack the AC45F on the foil:

    Last edited by PickleB; 16th April 2017 at 13:49.

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    Wasn't there a rule change which dictated that the entire boat had to fit inside a standard 40 foot shipping container when broken down for transportation?

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    I've been to the last 2 years races in Portsmouth. Great to watch live but absolutely no idea what was going on, who was leading or who won until it had happened. Much easier to follow on the TV.

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    That's novel:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Josh B View Post
    Ben Ainslie is heading up Team GB in the challenge round, so as long as the money holds out we might be in for some interesting sailing ahead!

    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/201...7-americas-cup
    no, and your banned Josh, we all miss you.

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    Dakar to Guadeloupe? Small beer for Yvan Bourgnon:
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=3AYNv2IR_5A


    He is now sailing the North West passage...
    'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.

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    Not long before the 2017-18 Volvo Ocean Race...HomePage.


    Meanwhile a basic protocol for the 36th America's Cup has been released (link):

    • 75 foot, high performance monohull, boats governed by the AC75 Class Rule
    • Races are expected to be around 40 mins, longer races than Bermuda, including a longer pre-start and up-wind start
    • When racing, at least 20% or 3 sailors of the total crew (which ever is higher) must be true nationals. The remainder of the crew need to comply with the residency rules:

    • True Nationals, ie a citizen of the country of the competing yacht club
    • Resident of the Country: The sailor must be physically present in the country of the yacht club for a minimum of 380 days in the 2 year period between the 1st September 2018 and 31st August 2020
    • Which equates to just over 6 months of each year
    • It still provides plenty of opportunities for internationals to sail for other teams, it just means they need to commit to living in the country of the yacht club their team represents


    2020
    • 3 x America’s Cup World Series preliminary events
    • 10-20 Dec - America’s Cup Christmas Race

    2021
    • Jan & Feb - The PRADA Cup Challenger Selection series
    • March - The America’s Cup Match

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    VOR in-port race:



    And here's the scoreboard: link.

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    And they're off. See the tracker: link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PickleB View Post
    And they're off. See the tracker: link.
    Leg 4 to Hong Kong...5000 nm and two weeks plus of sailing, then this:




    Only yesterday I was looking at the tracker and the approaches to HK on www.marinetraffic.com. I couldn't find the yachts using their mmsi on any of the live trackers, but that may have been because they were too far offshore. It certainly looked pretty busy and I didn't envy them racing into the harbour entrance. Lying in second place, Vestas collided with a fishing vessel, sending their crew into the water (link). There was one fatality but all the rest were rescued (link). Vestas was damaged but managed to proceed to HK with minor injuries only to the crew.

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