Reply With QuoteI know nothing of mil watches but it certainly appears to have the right amount of age to it.
I hope with a bit more research you can define what it is.
Either way, three quid?
It had to be done.
A £3 punt. He wanted a fiver! Pretty lightweight for a marine clock mind, Bakelite case? According to Weslowski, 'M' under the (scratched out) eagle denotes U Boat? Original key, has a little winder stud under 12 for the fast/slow.
Input welcome from those in the know.
I know nothing of mil watches but it certainly appears to have the right amount of age to it.
I hope with a bit more research you can define what it is.
Either way, three quid?
It had to be done.
Cheers,
Neil.
There was one catalouged at this german auction house that looks identical listed at 1300-2600 euros but failed to sell
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/...ll-clock-brown
Probably noted but not mentioned - manufactured by Junghans.
Well, if I could find a 'Shock' icon I'd put it on. This one of mine's movement's seized but a clock mate is on hand to squirt a bit of WD40 into it! Still has the double ended key with it too after all this time, amazing what you can still pick up on a sunday morning.......Originally Posted by wls1971
I've just had a look in Knirim and he shows one example which looks to be exactly the same as yours. It's a ships clock (a wall clock as opposed to a chronometer which were much more significant) and is unlikely to be from a submarine; the two examples for submarines that he shows have a black dial and appear to be a little more compact (I may be reading too much into it but he calls the example that corresponds to yours a ships clock and the others a Submarine wall clock). The "M" stands for Marine (pronounced marina) which means navy.
A topping find for three quid in anyone's book. Well done.
Das Boot Sale!
In the light of recent developments it seems like a good investment now Bong.
Cheers,
Neil.
[QUOTE=Neil.C;3257870]Das Boot Sale!
'Das Boot Sale' Outstanding Neil!
SWMBO want's shot of it so once it's running, it's off to my local auction at the next Military sale........
It looks like somebody scratched the eagle on the swastika off the dial at some point, pity.
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
Quite a find. Shame about the scratched out emblem
Gray
Great find at 3 quid but I imagine the dial alteration will have wiped a fair bit off the value. That said, it's obvious why it was removed.
Interesting to see what it makes at auction, but I foresee a profit ;-)
Cheers
Foggy
It may have been originally sold in Germany where it would have been illegal to display the swastika. All the Nazi stuff I have seen for sale in Germany has had stickers covering the swastika.
What a great find and the price is amazing!
An interesting piece. I'll give you £6 for it! :)
yep, I am with Eddie on this, and have crudely photo shopped a Nazi eagle over to demonstrate, in order to sell this stuff in Germany you had to remove or cover the Nazi symbolism by law, such a shame, there is a huge market for this stuff throughout Europe,
With that in mind do you think it would be worth the OP having it restored?yep, I am with Eddie on this, and have crudely photo shopped a Nazi eagle over to demonstrate, in order to sell this stuff in Germany you had to remove or cover the Nazi symbolism by law, such a shame, there is a huge market for this stuff throughout Europe,
Notwithstanding any squeamishness about the swastika this is unlikely to produce any dividend. Amongst military watch collectors originality is key and once it's gone then you're not going to get it back.
If I owned it I would certainly look at having it restored but there again I would be wanting to keep it and not sell it on.
The German auction site that had one, lets not forget it failed to sell in much better condition, you would have to way up the cost of restoration against its expected value. How the German auctioneer arrived at the value which is pretty wide at 1300-2600 euros could have just been a guesstimate or based on passed experience of what they do fetch.
I think do more research before making a decision, its a cracking find at £3.00
I completely understand both of the points you make, I'd be lying if I said that whilst typing my original reply I didn't consider the repercussions of suggesting you have a swastika restored
I know that it might never be worth much in terms of monetary value but it would be nice to see it restored to its former glory as a piece of craftsmanship/history.
Doubt if it would have been in a boot sale or just £3 with the eagle and swastika still in situ, some expensive auction house more like.
It is sad but, then again, the scratching out is itself a historical artefact. In that light, I see the scratching out itself as 'original'.
That's an interesting perspective. I can relate to that.
Gray
Indeed - The ship it was on may have served postwar (or been a war reparation) and been de-nazified.
M
Think it was pretty obvious what had been scratched out Dave! I was just lucky to be there when it hit the table, it would have been snagged in seconds by the the next person along, militaria expert or not.
As for restoration, that would be wrong IMHO, it'd turn it into a half assed novelty clock. the fact that the emblem was removed adds to it's merit as a genuine historical piece. I'd be interested when/why it was removed, if it offended the person so much why not just stamp on it and put it in the bin? Besides, if the emblem had have still been visible, not sure I or anyone else in my house that looked to tell the time would have wanted to be confronted with a swastika?
Thanks to all for the input, and I'll let you know how it gets on at auction. Anything over £3...........!
Slap it on a Toshi and enjoy it! Failing that, you could cut quite the dash as a Flava Flav impersonator and wear it round your neck.
Exactly right.
Cheers,
Neil.
I don't mind it not having the swastika because 1.) even the defacing of it is part of its history and 2.) I don't like swastikas.
In fact with the swastika it would scream FAKE and/or be silly money.
Top find and that "Das Boot Sale" pun was pure class.
BTW the scratching out itself is quite telling: don't destroy the whole thing OR carefully remove / conceal the offending image but violently and crudely scratch it out (ironically almost in such as way as to follow the lines of what was there and so suggest it!)
A definite repudiation of Nazism -- one wonders by whom and where and when. Very very interesting. As you say, it adds to the (hi)story of the piece.
Cracking clock and an uber bargain! I'd be interested to see the movement. Again, I'd want that as a keeper in my collection for its historical value.
......then watch out for the november 27th Militaria sale at Durrants Auction House, Beccles, Suffolk!
Interesting the offended scratcher took the trouble to leave the 'M' on?
My clock mate did his £10 worth of magic, now running and keeping time. Ticks away as quietly and smoothly as a high end wristwatch.
Now....the thorny subject. Value?
I'm fairly sure the letter M doesn't cause widespread offence...
M.
I don't like the NASTI's kidnap of an ancient symbol used by many faiths and cultures back into antiquity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
It was a shock to me the first time I saw a swastika being used to indicate a pharmacy in South Korea but it was clearly normal so I did some research into the symbol's background. Turns out the swastika is another victim of Hitler's megalomania that's been stigmatised by its (relatively) recent association with German National Socialism.
yep they can be found on religious monuments in Bali too.
Well, it's up for auction this Friday, lot 1514. Be interesting to see what it fetches......
http://auctions.durrants.com/auction...age=11&aid=203
Last edited by bongo; 25th November 2014 at 19:36.
Presume you mean 1514?
Corrected, Thanks!
I think you may get your original investment back with a little interest
Excellent John.
Mrs P loaded the cars up a few weeks ago and we ran them up to Kessingland. I keep reading about good car boot finds so I had a good hunt round and found nothing whist she was selling house and home.
Trust all is well buddy
Paul
Lot no. 1522 looks interesting as well...
A whole £70. Wish I hadn't have got the bleeder working!
Not a bad return on three quid. Now repeat :)
Is that all?
Thought it might have done a bit better than that.
Still, it's a profit.
Cheers,
Neil.
Well Neil, percentage wise it was a nice tickle! I did ask for a £100 reserve but it never got put on. I'd have kept it had I known it wouldn't make the ton.
What surprised me was the Rolex Trench Watch only made £180!
Still, the little ones shall have meat this week!
That's the spirit!
Cheers,
Neil.
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