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Thread: Talking of Grand Seikos…..up close with new models from Basel 2014

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    Talking of Grand Seikos…..up close with new models from Basel 2014

    US AD Timeless Luxury took a number of photos of some of the new GS models announced at Basel, earlier this year, at this past week's JCK event in Las Vegas.

    http://forums.watchuseek.com/f21/han...5-1038801.html

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    Absolutely Stunning.

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    They look superb

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    These are lovely. Really like the sunburst dial.

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    I would sell my mother in law for the "special" ;)

    Great watch in all aspects.

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    the dial work is very nice indeed. i like the hidden lion detail on the last one too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klockodile View Post
    I would sell my mother in law for the "special" ;)

    Great watch in all aspects.

    Like the special alot.It a great looking piece. Your mother in law must be in better condition then mine Stefan. If I sold mine I would only get a cheap quartz for her

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    The white dial GMT and Hi Beat Special are just pure porn. Totes amazeballs if I may.

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    Thanks for the link - always good to see some new variations. It would be nice to see that 'ripple' dial in motion.

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    Wow these gs are stunning! Thanks for the link.

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    They look great but are generally too big for my 7" wrists. Only the 38" SBGH035 is potentially suitable. I don't have the Yen right now anyhoo so it's a moot point.

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    Beautifully finished by the looks of it, but am I alone in thinking that the GMT models could really do with some lume? They are more likely to be used dark conditions (front of airliner in the middle of the night for example...) - and other GS GMTs have featured lume in the past.
    ...but what do I know; I don't even like watches!

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    Nice but as a GS fan, am a bit underwhelmed.
    Wouldn't buy any of those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAJEN View Post
    Nice but as a GS fan, am a bit underwhelmed.
    Wouldn't buy any of those.
    Give us an example of models you DO like. I'm curious.

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    Only a WOW! came out of my mouth.

    What a classy superbly finished stuff, that green dial is indeed stunning.

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    I am sorry to piss on your parade. Although superbly finished I find them quite boring.
    Some models are pathetic. Green Dial, come on....and the GS, GS, GS dial......awful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacchi View Post
    I am sorry to piss on your parade. Although superbly finished I find them quite boring.
    Some models are pathetic. Green Dial, come on....and the GS, GS, GS dial......awful!
    To each his own, but your words could be a bit more carefully chosen perhaps?
    Or does the name Seiko generates something of a rage inside you?

    Even Mr. Roboto doesn't get such a treatment.

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    Do they simply not make a Spring-Drive GS without a power reserve on the dial? I always find that ruins the look for me.

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    "Grand Seiko lion emblem. Interestingly, the GS symbol will almost always be aligned since the weight on the rotor is on the other side, so it's kind of neat to rotate the watch and see that the symbol stays in the same orientation."

    Yes it's called gravity, and it is interesting, but nothing new, in fact its the same for every rotor ever made with a logo on it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 744ER View Post
    "Grand Seiko lion emblem. Interestingly, the GS symbol will almost always be aligned since the weight on the rotor is on the other side, so it's kind of neat to rotate the watch and see that the symbol stays in the same orientation."

    Yes it's called gravity, and it is interesting, but nothing new, in fact its the same for every rotor ever made with a logo on it...
    That's what watchcompanies do, talking in superlatives, to sell their stuff.

    Let's start a thread with all the nonsense put in advertisments by the big watch brands.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddelvirks View Post
    To each his own, but your words could be a bit more carefully chosen perhaps?
    Or does the name Seiko generates something of a rage inside you?

    Even Mr. Roboto doesn't get such a treatment.

    Daddel.

    He's right though, they are fairly safe and mostly boring with a styling mix pinched from both Rolex and Omega catalogues. The one with "GS" plastered over the dial is awful, it's like one of those nasty LV bags, saying that I do like the white GMT with the blue hand, but at the pricepoint I'll not be buying any time soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captainhowdy View Post
    He's right though, they are fairly safe and mostly boring with a styling mix pinched from both Rolex and Omega catalogues. The one with "GS" plastered over the dial is awful, it's like one of those nasty LV bags, saying that I do like the white GMT with the blue hand, but at the pricepoint I'll not be buying any time soon.
    No he's not, nobody is ever right when it comes to taste.

    And another thing, nothing from that line-up has anything to do with Rolex and/or Omega, but you knew that already, didn't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddelvirks View Post
    That's what watchcompanies do, talking in superlatives, to sell their stuff.

    Let's start a thread with all the nonsense put in advertisments by the big watch brands.........

    Daddel.
    Thought it was a retailer or something posting that? Does Seiko actually promote it as a selling point themselves? Ironically the logo in the pic is upside down too...


    The green dial GMT looks nice tbh. Wouldnt mind trying one out, at the right price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddelvirks View Post
    No he's not, nobody is ever right when it comes to taste.

    And another thing, nothing from that line-up has anything to do with Rolex and/or Omega, but you knew that already, didn't you?

    Daddel.
    I think you might be wrong, but you already knew that, didn't you? Take a closer look at the Speedmaster style bracelets and remove that fanboy glasses and it will all become clearer to you.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Captainhowdy View Post
    I think you might be wrong, but you already knew that, didn't you? Take a closer look at the Speedmaster style bracelets and remove that fanboy glasses and it will all become clearer to you.





    Oh dear, that's bad. The Seiko TerraJustMaster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captainhowdy View Post
    I think you might be wrong, but you already knew that, didn't you? Take a closer look at the Speedmaster style bracelets and remove that fanboy glasses and it will all become clearer to you.





    A bracelet is not a watch.

    So all watches with a Rolex style bracelet look the same????

    You really are daft.

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    Thanks for that and love the green dial and the high-beat GMTs. Very nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 744ER View Post
    Oh dear, that's bad. The Seiko TerraJustMaster?
    Got to agree. Don't get me wrong I like some of them, but are trying too hard to offer their own versions of tried and tested designs of other brands, which is somewhat lazy in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddelvirks View Post
    A bracelet is not a watch.

    So all watches with a Rolex style bracelet look the same????

    You really are daft.

    Daddel.

    Daft? I think it was you that said "nothing from that line-up has anything to do with Rolex and/or Omega" we have now fully established that you are incorrect, and we have not even looked at the similarities of the case designs which are too close for comfort to a mix of Milgauss and AT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captainhowdy View Post
    Daft? I think it was you that said "nothing from that line-up has anything to do with Rolex and/or Omega" we have now fully established that you are incorrect, and we have not even looked at the similarities of the case designs which are too close for comfort to a mix of Milgauss and AT.
    The only thing we have established is something I can't put in writing, because Eddie will ban me for life............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddelvirks View Post
    No he's not, nobody is ever right when it comes to taste.

    And another thing, nothing from that line-up has anything to do with Rolex and/or Omega, but you knew that already, didn't you?

    Daddel.
    Let's agree to disagree, here. You are right that nobody is right in terms of taste and I respect that. I own a couple of Seikos and I like them a lot. If the GS watches were branded GO, Citizen, Steinhart or even Swatch, I would still not like them, since they do not show me what I like in a watch: Originality in the design!
    I don't like GS, because they have this Lexus, Infinity flair of wanting to be as good as something by copying certain elements and 'improving' the rest. They just try to hard IMHO.

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    It's true that they often seem to aim at perfecting the stylistically dead centre, standard watch, the dictionary definition of a bracelet watch, not re-inventing the wheel in every department, but reaching a consensus on what works and refining it. I think this is actually something that I like about them, I'm also looking for the perfect 'normal' watch. The datejust defined that for decades, while having just enough character to make it identifiable, and now it is guilty of trying too hard. The GS watches usually also manage to have something that stands out and makes them identifiable and unique, be it the movement, the angular flared sides or the polishing, but it is only occasionally 'too much'.

    I'm not a fan of that GS logo dial either, though the rippled one looks interesting. The power reserve always looks like a disaster in photos, but in real life for some reason it looks fine, maybe because it's so much smaller than it appears in close up photos.

    Walking round the Selfridges 'fine watch room' yesterday, I once again found myself standing in front of the GS cabinet - nothing else had appealed to me really, IWC seemed to have lost the plot completely. I can understand the objections, I can also see why people might want a premium logo on a premium product, but there's a definite allure to the watches I can't deny. Few others, apart from the most uncomplicated high end pieces by high end brands, seem to be trying to perfect the normal, understated watch, with a signature that is very much present but doesn't overwhelm the design. Vanilla or derivative for some, just right for others.

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    Now I really want one of those green-dialled GMTs. Despite the unsightly multi-fonted essay on the dial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddelvirks View Post
    The only thing we have established is something I can't put in writing, because Eddie will ban me for life............

    Daddel.

    It's not my fault that you fly in to a foul mouth tirade each time I prove you wrong, just let it go and accept it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captainhowdy View Post
    It's not my fault that you fly in to a foul mouth tirade each time I prove you wrong, just let it go and accept it.
    Yes, it is, and you know it.

    You were absent on a lot of threads recently, only coming alive to troll a Seiko thread.
    And the steel plate in front of your head keeps getting thicker, so much even you are believing your own truth.

    But let's stop this, because it's going to end in tears for one of us, and we are annoying other forum members.

    But that's also my fault I guess..........

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    Love the GMTS - especially the green dial.

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    FIGHT...FIGHT...FIGHT.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddelvirks View Post
    Yes, it is, and you know it.

    You were absent on a lot of threads recently, only coming alive to troll a Seiko thread.
    And the steel plate in front of your head keeps getting thicker, so much even you are believing your own truth.

    But let's stop this, because it's going to end in tears for one of us, and we are annoying other forum members.

    But that's also my fault I guess..........

    Daddel.

    I don't think it's up to you on which posts I choose to post on, but you do seem keen to start the personal insults when someone disagrees with you, perhaps open forums are not really your thing, as you tend to post either personal insults or make crude comments about people with cerebral palsy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captainhowdy View Post
    I think you might be wrong, but you already knew that, didn't you? Take a closer look at the Speedmaster style bracelets and remove that fanboy glasses and it will all become clearer to you.
    I'm not speaking from a position of great authority when it comes to watch bracelets but Seiko has been using this style of bracelet since at least 2000 when the SBDX001 was released and I'm pretty sure I've seen Grand Seikos from the mid 1990's with very similar style bracelets. The Seamaster Professional bracelet illustrated in your picture I think dates from the late 1990's. Happy for someone with a better knowledge of the history of Omega bracelets to chip in here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 744ER View Post
    Thought it was a retailer or something posting that? Does Seiko actually promote it as a selling point themselves? Ironically the logo in the pic is upside down too...

    The green dial GMT looks nice tbh. Wouldnt mind trying one out, at the right price.
    Yes, Timeless Luxury is an AD, the words are their own.
    The watch under discussion is lying flat on the table, so the gravitational effect doesn't come into play.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captainhowdy View Post
    I think you might be wrong, but you already knew that, didn't you? Take a closer look at the Speedmaster style bracelets and remove that fanboy glasses and it will all become clearer to you.
    Quote Originally Posted by 744ER View Post
    Oh dear, that's bad. The Seiko TerraJustMaster?
    The 5-piece bracelet you're highlighting, is a standard GS design, all the way back to 2006 or so – as you can see it's rather a common theme…….http://naligazone.com/index.php/data...ko-grand-seiko

    The case is more angular nowadays, with more than just a passing nod to the original 60's 44GS design – you can see the various styles in their full collection page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJ S View Post
    Yes, Timeless Luxury is an AD, the words are their own.
    The watch under discussion is lying flat on the table, so the gravitational effect doesn't come into play.


    The case is more angular nowadays, with more than just a passing nod to the original 60's 44GS design – you can see the various styles in their full collection page.
    That's for the link, but I could not see any bracelet that have this design from the 60's, can you post a photo of the watch\bracelet you are referring to

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsguy View Post
    It's true that they often seem to aim at perfecting the stylistically dead centre, standard watch, the dictionary definition of a bracelet watch, not re-inventing the wheel in every department, but reaching a consensus on what works and refining it. I think this is actually something that I like about them, I'm also looking for the perfect 'normal' watch. The datejust defined that for decades, while having just enough character to make it identifiable, and now it is guilty of trying too hard. The GS watches usually also manage to have something that stands out and makes them identifiable and unique, be it the movement, the angular flared sides or the polishing, but it is only occasionally 'too much'.
    It's worth bearing in mind that Seiko's philosophy for the Grand Seiko is the best watch they can make, but never gets in the way of doing what it was designed to do – tell the time.
    For this reason, they've not followed PP, and others, by bestowing the movement with a gold rotor.
    They've not followed PP, and others, with creating watches with lots of complications.
    A Grand Seiko, with their unique polishing (based on the ancient Zaratsu technique as used by master katana makers) will reflect light so effortlessly that you can make out the time in low-light conditions.

    Might be worth having a bit of read through these:
    http://www.grand-seiko.com/features/design.html
    http://www.grand-seiko.com/manufacture/index.html
    http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/in...?topic=10730.0

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    A review on the green dial Hi-Beat GMT – http://www.escapementmagazine.com/ar...scapement.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJ S View Post
    It's worth bearing in mind that Seiko's philosophy for the Grand Seiko is the best watch they can make, but never gets in the way of doing what it was designed to do – tell the time.
    For this reason, they've not followed PP, and others, by bestowing the movement with a gold rotor.
    They've not followed PP, and others, with creating watches with lots of complications.
    A Grand Seiko, with their unique polishing (based on the ancient Zaratsu technique as used by master katana makers) will reflect light so effortlessly that you can make out the time in low-light conditions.

    Might be worth having a bit of read through these:
    http://www.grand-seiko.com/features/design.html
    http://www.grand-seiko.com/manufacture/index.html
    http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/in...?topic=10730.0
    Thanks for the links - though actually I'm well aware of their design philosophy, and as mentioned, I like it. Bought the t-shirt, and the watch!

    Really must take a proper picture some time...


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    Very nice, tempted to flex the credit card.

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    The bracelet style is quite common and certainly not restricted to Omega & GS, as 5 minutes on google images will attest,








    Surely any valid criticism of the GS bracelet should start with the clasp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennO View Post
    The bracelet style is quite common and certainly not restricted to Omega & GS, as 5 minutes on google images will attest,








    Surely any valid criticism of the GS bracelet should start with the clasp.
    No, no, no, it's only Seiko that copies that style, the Swiss don't do that....................

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennO View Post

    Surely any valid criticism of the GS bracelet should start with the clasp.
    That certainly merits discussion - though oddly, more elaborate and complex clasps like the current Omega Aqua Terra, while managing to get the clasp and logo 'flat', don't seem to result in a better or more comfortable fit. It leaves the bracelet with more lumps on the outside, and more metal sticking up and into your wrist on the underside. The GS remains by a country mile my most comfortable bracelet watch, so they must be doing something right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captainhowdy View Post
    That's for the link, but I could not see any bracelet that have this design from the 60's, can you post a photo of the watch\bracelet you are referring to
    You'll not find it on that list – they were limited editions, which once sold through, seem to be removed since they are no longer in production.

    Here's a link, and if you delve further you'll find overviews on the individual pieces that made up the collection.

    http://azfinetime.wordpress.com/2013...n-coming-soon/

    http://www.seikowatches.com/press_re...-02/index.html

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    The watches on the link are nice, very smart indeed and would be very pleasant on the wrist. I would still have an Aqua Terra or DJ2, but I can see that if you really like GS then they would be very desirable indeed.

    They are perhaps a little...mainstream, but Seiko are damned if they go unconventional and damned if they go conventional :)

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