Soprod movements...

[buddy13]

I am looking at the Sinn T2 as a very possible, very near future purchase....

It is very a close battle between an EZM3/T2/SBDC007

I like to research my watches fully beforehand to be able to make an informed decision as possible.

I am interested in knowing more about the Soprod A-10 movement. Particularly since I read that it is used in 'many' high end watches. Would anyone point me towards a few notable names? Also have you ever had a watch with this movement and if so how would you rate it? thanks guys!

[java]

The Soprod A 10 is basically an ETA 2892. It is entirely made by Soprod and very well made. Soprod make a few module themselves but also use DD modules. If you see it with a small seconds or Chrono they will be DD modules.
I don't know about High end watches I have not seen it in High end watches. generally seen in mid range watches.

You will see it in Perrelet a lot, but that is because Perrelet and Soprod are owned by the same group, Festina group of Spain, Miguel Rodriguez.It is getting used more and more.

[Daddelvirks]

As far as I know Bremont also uses soprod movements.

Can't go wrong, they have a history of making fine modified movents and complications for all sorts of (high-end) brands.

Daddel.

[swanbourne]

The Soprod A 10 is basically an ETA 2892. It is entirely made by Soprod and very well made. Soprod make a few module themselves but also use DD modules. If you see it with a small seconds or Chrono they will be DD modules.
I don't know about High end watches I have not seen it in High end watches. generally seen in mid range watches.

You will see it in Perrelet a lot, but that is because Perrelet and Soprod are owned by the same group, Festina group of Spain, Miguel Rodriguez.It is getting used more and more.

The Soprod A-10 is based on a Seiko calibre.

Seiko Instruments Inc (SII) previously supplied cal. 4L movement via Soprod. Officially Seiko denied it, but some in Seiko Corp unofficially admitted that Soprod A10 ("A" indicates "Altanus", meaning alternative) is based on the Seiko cal. 4L.

Eddie

[buddy13]

The Soprod A-10 is based on a Seiko calibre.



Eddie

Really and which movement in particular?! now thats interesting. I absolutely love Seiko movements. Do you have more info please!?

[Daddelvirks]

Really and which movement in particular?! now thats interesting. I absolutely love Seiko movements. Do you have more info please!?

Seeing the layout that doesn't surprise me.

The 4L is a great movement, only used for high(er) end Seiko's.

Eddie, does the Soprod also have the cap jewels, so clearly visible on the Seiko 4L?

Daddel.

[swanbourne]

Here's the A-10 with a skeletonised rotor so you can see more of the movement.



It doesn't look like a 2892 to me.

Eddie

[java]

Here's the A-10 with a skeletonised rotor so you can see more of the movement.



It doesn't look like a 2892 to me.

Eddie

I stand corrected by your greater knowledge on the subject Eddie. Thanks

[Huertecilla]

It doesn't look like a 2892 to me.

Eddie

That is a Seiko indeed.
Quite a good pedigree.

[Daddelvirks]

But comparing it to the 4l/4s means the cap jewels seem to have gone all together.

It would be an extensive reworking of the caliber.

Daddel.

[java]

I think it is Soprod's own website which gives rise to the A-10 being called a 2892 clone so often

http://www.soprod.ch/EN/Mecanique.htm

[buddy13]

With a little bit of further research I concluded that though the movement is a direct replacement (size, mounting etc..) for the ETA 2892 it is completely different in design & mechanical execution....or am I wrong?

[java]

With a little bit of further research I concluded that though the movement is a direct replacement (size, mounting etc..) for the ETA 2892 it is completely different in design & mechanical execution....or am I wrong?

That would seem to be correct when comparing them directly. There are a lot of internet references to the A-10 being a 2892 clone. I think they are derived from this wording on Soprod's web site;
Mechanical Automatic movement SOP Alternance 10, with Chronofiable® certification, calibrated 2892, available in three versions: • Second on the middle, calendar (basic execution) • Visible balance • Skeleton Additional modules available: • Big date and 2nd GMT with day/night indicator • Power reserve and 2nd GMT • Chronograph module Dubois Dépraz • Small Second module COSC (Official Swiss Chronometer Testing Institute) Certification upon request

[buddy13]

That would seem to be correct when comparing them directly. There are a lot of internet references to the A-10 being a 2892 clone. I think they are derived from this wording on Soprod's web site;
Mechanical Automatic movement SOP Alternance 10, with Chronofiable® certification, calibrated 2892, available in three versions: • Second on the middle, calendar (basic execution) • Visible balance • Skeleton Additional modules available: • Big date and 2nd GMT with day/night indicator • Power reserve and 2nd GMT • Chronograph module Dubois Dépraz • Small Second module COSC (Official Swiss Chronometer Testing Institute) Certification upon request

Now thats curious...what on earth do they actually mean by 'Calibrated 2892'??

[java]

Now thats curious...what on earth do they actually mean by 'Calibrated 2892'??

In the jewellery industry Calibrated would suggest "To fit" So I think they are meaning to suggest that the A-10 will fit in all manner, any situation where a 2892 may currently be used.

However for many the term may be a bit misleading As a result the movement us often referred to as a 2892 clone.

[RAJEN]

http://www.network54.com/Forum/64223...sign+after+all...

[Citizen V]

Nevermind.

[buddy13]

In the jewellery industry Calibrated would suggest "To fit" So I think they are meaning to suggest that the A-10 will fit in all manner, any situation where a 2892 may currently be used.

However for many the term may be a bit misleading As a result the movement us often referred to as a 2892 clone.

Oh ok...now I get it.Thanks...I agree with you as to why it is called a 2892 clone sometimes then

[buddy13]

http://www.network54.com/Forum/64223...sign+after+all...

Thanks for digging that up! That MUST be a Seiko 4L movement! That poster made a great remark about Seiko manufacturing its dimensions to fit exactly like a 2892 to sell ebauches...I'm quite positive that must be the case.

[java]

Thanks for digging that up! That MUST be a Seiko 4L movement! That poster made a great remark about Seiko manufacturing its dimensions to fit exactly like a 2892 to sell ebauches...I'm quite positive that must be the case.

Chinese whispers!

This is what he actually said;


"One thing that might help clarify things is whether or not the 4L as used in Credor watches really is the same dimensions as the 2892. If it is, then they probably designed it with the intention of selling ebauches."

It must be noted of course that at least 60% of the movement must be made in Switzerland, in not then it could not be called Swiss made.

[swanbourne]

Chinese whispers!

This is what he actually said;


"One thing that might help clarify things is whether or not the 4L as used in Credor watches really is the same dimensions as the 2892. If it is, then they probably designed it with the intention of selling ebauches."

It must be noted of course that at least 60% of the movement must be made in Switzerland, in not then it could not be called Swiss made.

Like this one, you mean?



Eddie

[Daddelvirks]

A Miyota 8215+one jewel

Daddel.

[java]

A Miyota 8215+one jewel

Daddel.

Yes Daddel but did you know that Swiss jewels are very expensive and can easily constitute as much as 60% of the value

[lenny]

A Miyota 8215+one jewel

Daddel.

Actually, it's a Chinese copy of the Miyota.....

[java]

The plot thickens

[Daddelvirks]

Yes Daddel but did you know that Swiss jewels are very expensive and can easily constitute as much as 60% of the value

Should be worth it though, a must have, those Swiss Jewels...............

Daddel.