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    The US$ 600.000 haute horlogerie Seiko

    In 2008 Seiko produced a one off model: The Credor GBBX998.
    It has a 12 beat, 43200 bph caliber denominated 8L88.
    Cased in gold finished with japanese lacquer.



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    worst looking watch i have ever seen.

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    Not my cup of tea, either. Wonder how many they have sold and at what price they actually crossed the counter?

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    As I said before, the Asian market, different tastes etc.

    Not my cuppa, but an interesting movement.

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    Ah yes the Juri. fifty million yen and still looks like something bought cheap by a partially blind granny at a market stall for her least favourite grandson.

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    Horrible looking watch!!

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    Even the people with dark glasses and white sticks would find that ugly

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    That is just sour grapes because you can't afford it

    A hand crafted movement like that is not meant to go into a black dialed ss diver; it is meant for the highest end watch jewely; a working Faberge egg. In my eyes the eggs I collect daily are more beautifull...

    It does, like the chiming thing Credor, illustrate that Seiko is way haute up there. Technically the hautest of all.

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    Now a Faberge egg I would like to own. Where can these be bought? Ooh wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Not my cup of tea, either. Wonder how many they have sold and at what price they actually crossed the counter?
    As I wrote: 'one off'.

    Sold for 600.000 USD in 2008 and the guy must have been a VIP to boot, or would not have been given the privilege.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla View Post
    As I wrote: 'one off'.

    Sold for 600.000 USD in 2008 and the guy must have been a VIP to boot, or would not have been given the privilege.
    Visually Impaired Pr*ck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla View Post
    That is just sour grapes because you can't afford it

    A hand crafted movement like that is not meant to go into a black dialed ss diver; it is meant for the highest end watch jewely; a working Faberge egg. In my eyes the eggs I collect daily are more beautifull...

    It does, like the chiming thing Credor, illustrate that Seiko is way haute up there. Technically the hautest of all.
    swap the word "faberge" with human

    swap the word "egg" with poo

    swap the word "hautest" with ugliest

    Then that would be a statement i could get on board with. To be fair, the person who bought that clearly did so because he loved it, he definately couldnt have bought it to impress anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla View Post
    That is just sour grapes because you can't afford it

    A hand crafted movement like that is not meant to go into a black dialed ss diver; it is meant for the highest end watch jewely; a working Faberge egg. In my eyes the eggs I collect daily are more beautifull...

    It does, like the chiming thing Credor, illustrate that Seiko is way haute up there. Technically the hautest of all.
    8L88 12bps = 43,200bph
    the only fully mechanical movement placed in actual production that has reached this level of beat-rate. The 8L88, introduced in 2006-ish has 41 jewels & uses "Spron" alloy for the mainspring. The factory specified accuracy standard for this movement is -10 to +15 secs/day [Mean Daily Rate].

    All that effort to put a movement that doesn't even match the 'outdated' COSC standard, never mind the Seiko / Japanese equivalent standard in to a case which is more 70's poor taste kitchen/bathroom tile than Faberge.
    Technical marvel it may be, but it fails in its fundamental function, accurate keeping time. Fugly too

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    looks like one of these watches one would win from an arcade machine.

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    Can't see it properly but I imagine the workmanship and attention to detail is fantastic. It's just pig ugly. Such a shame all that craftsmanship goes to waste on a really poor end product.
    "A man of little significance"

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    To my eyes absolutely hideous but obviously the aesthetic is targeted at a particular, and different, market and I daresay the thing has never been outside of a display case (at least I hope so as I imagine from the small amount of very low quality Chinese lacquer-ware that we have knocking round the flat, that it wouldn't last a day).

    How has the $600,000 value been determined? RRP, last auction price? Given the way that very determined Japanese collectors have pushed the market value of many things over the years it wouldn't surprise me if the figure is light.
    In the Sotadic Zone, apparently.

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    I think it's absolutely beautiful; like an antique Japanese cabinet or something. I don't like it or want it as a watch, but it's a thing a of beauty no doubt.

    But for high beats rates ;) http://www.thewatchquote.com/The-Bre...ls-No_9723.htm

    72,000vph...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlton-Browne View Post
    How has the $600,000 value been determined? RRP, last auction price? Given the way that very determined Japanese collectors have pushed the market value of many things over the years it wouldn't surprise me if the figure is light.
    It was sold by Seiko to the buyer for that.
    Don´t worry about resale value as it will without a doubt be a heirloom of japanese fortune.

    As to the value I think that no amount of money would see them make a second one for a mere mortal. Again like a Faberge egg in times gone by.

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    Not a style I'd want, but, really? Ugliest watch you've ever seen, people?

    Nah, not even close... I've seen an AP today, that's uglier!

    If you can't see the craftsmanship in there, too, you're in the wrong place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DB9yeti View Post
    I think it's absolutely beautiful; like an antique Japanese cabinet or something. I don't like it or want it as a watch, but it's a thing a of beauty no doubt.

    But for high beats rates ;) http://www.thewatchquote.com/The-Bre...ls-No_9723.htm

    72,000vph...
    Simply impressive. I am truely awed.

    That it looks like a 100 Euros Orient is irrelevant.

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    Don't like it as well, but there AP RO's that look far uglier, but don't get such a spanking as this one off Seiko.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddelvirks View Post
    Don't like it as well, but there AP RO's that look far uglier, but don't get such a spanking as this one off Seiko.

    Daddel.
    And that with ´Credor´ on the dial

    Remember the vehemence with which the difference a Swatch brand makes was defended here? Well, not where it concerns Seiko appearantly

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    Am I the only one who thinks the Credor logo looks like the Disney castle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla View Post
    Simply impressive. I am truely awed.

    That it looks like a 100 Euros Orient is irrelevant.
    Please link me where I can find an orient that looks like that Breguet for 100 Euros? I would love to buy one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsguy View Post
    Am I the only one who thinks the Credor logo looks like the Disney castle?
    Rubbish. It is actually Arabic and translates as "I have a small penis and an unhealthy interest in bothering donkeys"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josh B View Post
    Please link me where I can find an orient that looks like that Breguet for 100 Euros? I would love to buy one!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=eRj1MAYOZrQ

    You can find them used on sales corners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=eRj1MAYOZrQ

    You can find them used on sales corners.
    Dude. If I were the authorities I would revoke your drivers licence as you are clearly blind. Or did your seeing eye dog pick that video?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsguy View Post
    Am I the only one who thinks the Credor logo looks like the Disney castle?
    There is a topic about that in here.

    I don´t like it one bit but then I find a crown as trademark childish too, so what do I know?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josh B View Post
    Dude. If I were the authorities I would revoke your drivers licence as you are clearly blind. Or did your seeing eye dog pick that video?


    and there is one painfully alike with a quartz caliber too (which is why thís one has ´mechanical´ on the dial) costing $100 néw.
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    That's one if the vilest watches I've ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla View Post
    That is just sour grapes because you can't afford it

    A hand crafted movement like that is not meant to go into a black dialed ss diver; it is meant for the highest end watch jewely; a working Faberge egg. In my eyes the eggs I collect daily are more beautifull...

    It does, like the chiming thing Credor, illustrate that Seiko is way haute up there. Technically the hautest of all.
    I agree with all of this, horses for courses and all that. And it does look very Japanese-antiquey so I can imagine plenty of Japanese collectors fancying it.

    The carbuncle on it for me though is the "Super Hi-Beat" on the rotor - way to cheapen the looks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DB9yeti View Post
    I think it's absolutely beautiful; like an antique Japanese cabinet or something. I don't like it or want it as a watch, but it's a thing a of beauty no doubt.
    I've got to agree with you there - and I'd rather see and read about this than yet another Sub or Speedy that is 100% identical to the one that was posted about 10 minutes earlier...(I say that as a fan of Speedies and the Sub, by the way)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josh B View Post
    Ah yes the Juri. fifty million yen and still looks like something bought cheap by a partially blind granny at a market stall for her least favourite grandson.
    Best description ever !

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadeOfCheese View Post

    The carbuncle on it for me though is the "Super Hi-Beat" on the rotor - way to cheapen the looks!
    Totally in agreement.
    I think hat all the marketing blurp on dials is a very cheap looking custom created by watch manufactures. By exposure we have become accustomed to this pollution of watch dials with advertising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K80 View Post
    Best description ever !
    It is indeed!, but for me those words count for the latest IWC aquatimer.

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    Don't think even Rotary will be copying that one.

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    Watch snobbism

    All in all this thread is making good companion to the Invicta COSC snob topic

    Food for psychologists.

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    how is this watch snobbism?

    most people think it looks rubbish regardless of manufacturer or price.

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    Got something similar in my Christmas Cracker if I recall
    “Don’t look back, you’re not heading that way.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsteeth View Post
    most people think it looks rubbish regardless of manufacturer or price.
    You are fúnny!

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    not really a case of being a snob against brand, manufacturer, country of origin at all.
    It matters not who or where it was made, aesthetically, to most, it's just plain ugly, that is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=eRj1MAYOZrQ

    You can find them used on sales corners.
    Did you post the wrong video by accident?
    No matter how much you might want it to, that orient doesn't look all that much like the Breguet...

    And that credor is, so far, the most tasteless watch Ive seen this year. The kind of garbage that, having already bought the nice stuff and gotten bored of it, only the truly wealthy can afford...

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla View Post
    You are fúnny!
    Hes also quite correct.

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    It is not the worst watch I have seen but it would not be on my list to buy - even if I could afford it. Which I can't.

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    I just went back and had another look at the thing - its truly hideous! Not even in proportion to the strap...
    It makes the leopard spotted Daytona look like a work of art.

    At least Seiko had the good judgement to keep it as a one-off - I can just imagine the designer being handed the finished watch, screaming "WHAT HAVE I DONE???" in Japanese and committing ritual suicide...

    But then, the OP clearly posted it, not because he actually likes it, but to get a reaction from his target group of people. He will no doubt succeed.

    I find these ugly watch threads thoroughly entertaining - they remind me somewhat of the "tattoos gone wrong" thread a while back in the bear pit.
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    All this needs is wingnut's dog turd, as they would get a good match.

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    What size is it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbongo View Post

    But then, the OP clearly posted it, not because he actually likes it, but to get a reaction from his target group of people. He will no doubt succeed.
    I thought it an interesting piece of horology worth sharing, but bar a few exceptions I was appearantly wrong.

    With restrospect not surprising but the level of emotional intensity is. Life must be stressfull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla View Post
    And that with ´Credor´ on the dial

    Remember the vehemence with which the difference a Swatch brand makes was defended here? Well, not where it concerns Seiko appearantly
    But it clearly is a Seiko, you have repeatedly referred to it as such in this thread (including the title), and it is written on the case back.

    Personally I think it's hideous, but then I think that about a lot of "Haute Horlogerie"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla View Post
    I thought it an interesting piece of horology worth sharing, but bar a few exceptions I was appearantly wrong.

    With restrospect not surprising but the level of emotional intensity is. Life must be stressfull.
    As a watch it is not to my taste, but as an object I think it rather beautiful and certainly the craftsmanship on display and technical specification of the movement something to be admired. I suspect many of the negative reactions derive from

    a) the fact that it is made by Seiko and
    b) the fact that the original post was made by Huertecilla

    Either way, nothing to get one's knickers in a twist over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamingdave View Post
    But it clearly is a Seiko, you have repeatedly referred to it as such in this thread (including the title), and it is written on the case back.
    That is because Í don´t fool myself about it nót being a Seiko brand.

    Btw, this watch was appearantly named ´Juri´ which subsequently became a name for a line of Credor models which afaik know have nóthing in common with the originator.

    As to the DisneyCastle symbol, there have been several models with that absent from the dial.
    Tbh I think Seiko should be more consequent in the use of logos for this range. As it is you can find any combination of Credor, Seiko and the DisneyCastle on the dial.

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