Reply With QuoteYes I would say tried at tested they are Swiss movements. Lol
with the technology the world has today are the Swiss movements still the pinnacle of excellence ?
are there many movements out there on par that are not Swiss made?
Yes I would say tried at tested they are Swiss movements. Lol
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Just light the blue touch paper and stand well back!!
that is why I asked the question because some non Swiss watches have Swiss movements (not all the time I know)Originally Posted by bokbok
is it just because the Swiss mark is accepted as being the worlds best so anything Swiss will always sell better?
has no one else tried and succeeded to build a movement on par or better?
RI am asking out of interest not to start a war
anyone who cant contribute in a nice fashion can move along
this is not aimed at you 2 by the way
im just intrigued
And that’s our point, they can’t.
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
I've not been a member here very long but I suspect this is one that's been covered before.
My views....
> Lots of non-Swiss makers use Swiss movements because they sell better. Whether that's because they are better is subjective.
> I've never been late for a meeting because of a Seiko
> Pinnacle of Excellence? If it's excellence at telling the time, I guess a quartz movement that gets updated by an atomic clock would take some beating e.g. Citizen
Personally, I generally prefer Japanese quartz and Swiss mechanicals.
That's very much a generalisation. There are excellent individual calibres of both types from both camps.
I've no experience with Chinese or Russian.
There is no right answer to this because it will end up turning into a war between blind swiss fanboys and blind Japanese fanboys with potential bombing runs from elsewhere.
Then theres every chance that the fanatical blind quartz fanboy will turn up, feet first, and REALLY bait everyone!
Defeatist.
Surely if we argue long enough we can come up with the answer.
It's what the internet's for.
I think it's probably fair to say the 'Swiss Made' tag gives a watch greater perceived value because of the history/heritage of the Swiss industry. It also arguably allows manufacturers to charge more for their products.
I wouldn't say Swiss movements are necessarily better than, say, their Japanese counterparts on either a technical and aesthetic level, however. I'd happily wear products from Grand Seiko or Glashuette Original and be very happy indeed with the innards. I've no direct experience with Chinese movements but I own a couple of Russian mechanicals and they've been remarkably reliable for the modest price I paid.
SGR
Youre right! Ok then - Japanese movements - especially quartz lack "soul" and swiss movements are overrated and overpriced tat.
Veblen...VEBLEN I TELL YOU!
A Swiss made watch or a Chinese made watch?.
This.....http://www.topswitzerland.ch/swiss_top_chocolate.html
Or perhaps.......http://tothetable.blogspot.co.uk/200...late-bars.html
I know which I'd like to have........how about You?.
Best post ever.
and that really is a shame
I was thinking mechanical but quartz is in there as well
i was under the impression (right or wrong) that most Chinese were "copies" of Swiss movements? are all movements worldwide "copies" then?
i have a Swiss automatic watch but lately i am looking more and more at watches that catch my eye before looking at who makes them or what movement they have
i do wonder if it is worth the investment to build a new movement over using tried and tested designs
Kit Kat strawberry? Yuk!
Never built a new movement, why move forward?, if it ain't broken don't fix it.
That's why I still drive my Hillman Avenger....................
Daddel.
Got a new watch, divers watch it is, had to drown the bastard to get it!
How come ´still´
It was french then english then american and nowadays it is japanese.
Same here...
Defining 'best' might be a useful starting point.
I realy do not know if Swiss movements are the best.
But I do not know better ones.
This thread's only going one way, sadly.
I do hope not
Shaggy, I do not doubt that your intrigue is worthy and shared by many, but I am uncertain if you can expect such a loosely phrased enquiry to receive definitive, evidence based discussion here. There is a risk that the replies, quite understandably, will generate more heat than light. Perhaps knowledgeable members here could suggest additional online sources where this subject has received specialist technical treatment for consideration. I do not think that there are ready answers to your enquiry.
What about ze Germans? ALS and GO play with the big boys.
I am beginning to realise this now
I don't want any fall outs because of differing opinions
If I may say, that is an entirely honourable and considerate view.
Quite recently I started a thread myself only to soon realise that it was inevitably and unnecessarily going to rattle too many, so I drove it into a cul-de-sac.
Peter
He's not rattling anybody, as stated above it's difficult to deal with the term "best". used so losely.
Daddel.
Got a new watch, divers watch it is, had to drown the bastard to get it!
I wouldn't worry too much about it. The dummy owners spat them out quite some time ago.
Id be surprised if they remembered where they've left them...
The rest of us just enjoy a bit of banter. Nobody forces the more delicate flowers to read a thread - they have the option not to - and to not get involved.
This is a forum - differing opinions are what make it tick over.
Can you imagine how irritating it would be if every reply was "Super! Simply super!"?
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Super reply Umbongo, simply super old bean!
Yours even more so PJ S - what a super way for your super self to tell a super person he's super!
I know! It's just super, isn't it?
Id go so far as to say its super duper!
i always went swiss, ocasionally citizen co2 or a bullhead, then i went the seiko route, then went back to europe the odd german, then back to swiss, in recent times i have gone chineese, it set me back 35u.s. in the door, i got it from a wis who i never met but we must have had 3-400 dealings in the past 4-5 years, sadly he has passed away i think, as the last email i got tols me that he had lost 42lbs and was unable to leave his chair unaided, i miss his friendship, also his willingness to help, you know a watch for sale cous only, all i had to do was send an email, then a few days later i got a request for the total amount, he never charhed more than 5 or six bucks postage via usps, it would arrive four days later, rest easy john.
Indeed, but still a bit shy of being supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.
Yeah, lets keep our feet on the ground here.
I'd say that the Americans managed it with the model 21 & 22. Hamilton made some lovely movements back in the day. But of course, back in the day the Swiss were also making some amazing movements. Prior to that you had the French and English, but that's even further into ancient history.
Havent seen that for ages!
Super.
Super!
Great.
Smashing!Great.
Can't beat a bit of bully.
Were they ever the definitive best? Always a matter of opinion.
Good point. Colonel Pogue was issued with a perfectly serviceable Swiss watch, but still chose to buy his own.
And today the japanese whichever niche one chooses, from basic LCD to sonnerie.
Leaving the swiss with a window between WW2 and the late sixties and even then there are some stunning French and US products.
The germans were masters in the appliance clock sector and rather strong in stopwatches too.
so have the non Swiss movements stopped being made or have they evolved ?
I saw again the Omega add where they put a lot of emphasis on the movement and state it is the best they have ever made which must mean its very good?
I realise that the Swiss mark is a selling point and a perceived mark of quality but do the Chinese & Japanese make superior movements, I know they do in the Grand Seiko but what about the other brands?
what movements did the English(or British) & French make?
What on earth is that supposed to mean?
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
I’d say there were certainly times that Swiss watchmaking was unparalleled, for example the mid to late 1700’s.
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
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