imo they had an argument he shot her as she tried to leave.
South Africa - the only place I visited where the usual "oo, don't go there, don't do this at night blah blah" 'advice' from travel forums etc. is justified. The only place where walking down the street at night, you do feel a clear and potential danger of being attacked or mugged.
Tragic under whatever circumstances. We (in general, in the UK) cant imagine a place where we live, that is so dangerous, we need a firearm next to our beds.
I read that police reports state he shot her 4 times through a closed bathroom door. My guess...big argument, she locked herself in bathroom and he fired off at the door in a moment of red mist. I think the innocent accident is looking less likely now.
I did see the humorous side,albeit in bad taste.Originally Posted by HoneyFB
That was also a classic.
He's goin to be learning a lot more about 'blades' and 'surprises' where hes going......
Not wrong there!
A thread about physical violence and somebody threatens physical violence. Classic!!
Indeed.
You misread the post.( a classic mistake!) I did not threaten or make any threats. Its where he is going he may experience this.
If he did in fact shoot her through the bathroom door, the defence that he thought she was an intruder is going to be a lot less plausible.
Charming.
Why - perhaps an innocent pun?
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
I think he's referring to the Honey Monster, not you. The man who is tolerant but will punch you hard in the mouth when offended.
Indeed, it's easy to be a tough guy on an internet watch forum!
Ah, I see, my mistake, then I apologise. I tend to skip over some peoples posts, so probably missed that bit ... I'd use an appropriate smily if they worked....
Your on a roll, keep going.
Exactly, I don't think its likely that an armed intruder would hide in the bathroom where they would be trapped with little chance of escape, but wheres the first place a woman runs to whenever there is an argument?
I also have trouble believing the story that he ran down the stairs with her body in his arms. Is that even possible for a guy with no legs?
How do you think does he compete in sprinting competitions? That guy grew up on prostheses.
Regards,
Al
No civilians in the UK can own a handgun of any calibre no matter where it is kept. You can have air pistols of black powder pistols but that's it.
Wasn't aimed at you!
Skipping over posts is a bit of a classic mistake!
Only joshing with you. I thought your post was actually quite funny.
Long barreled .22 cal pistols - like those recently seen in the Olympic target shooting - are regulated as section 1 firearms hence perfectly legal to own.
Many of the regulations surrounding their storage and use are commonly misinterpreted by local authorities though, so they can be difficult to obtain certificates for depending in where you live.
The pistols used in the Olympics also came under the ban, many of our guys just gave up, some kept them at clubs in Belgium and travelled there to practice. The Olympic committee had an arrangement to let them ( and the visiting shooters) use them here for 8 weeks.
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The link you provided to HESA shows that they do not pistol shoot, just gallery rifle which is a pistol with a huge barrel (18" plus ).
60 cm minimum, with a 30 cm barrel. Autos are limited to .22 only, I think you are right about revolvers being allowed in any calibre - not sure about that as that isn't what I am involved in.
All long barrelled pistols ( auto or revolver) are under the gallery rifle category. Standard length handguns of any type or calibre are still banned . What shooting do you do ?
Clays sometimes, but my involvement in target pistol shooting is pretty much limited to driving my partners "kids" to and from and making appreciative noises. I do have a go sometimes to show then how it is supposed to be done ;)
Looks indeed more and more like he killed her after an argument. Don't want to judge too early but being born without calf bones doesn't seem to be his only birth defect (since psychopathy is a verifiably genetic issue)...
Where are you getting your information from? Are you medically qualified? If you are, then you need to go back to the Oxford Handbook of Psychiatry, as you'll find that 'psychopathy' is most certainly NOT a 'verifiably genetic issue'. Some evidence exists for a genetic component to cluster B personality types (so yes, dissocial/antisocial) but I think you've gone too far here with your internet musings.
A cricket bat?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...us-cricket-bat
Hand guns are banned, obviously. A rifle is defined iin law as having a barrel of 30m min OR a total length of 60cm min. Hence we have stupidly long barrelled 'pistols'.
30m barrel would indeed be quite unwieldy...
That is a nasty comment, being an obnoxious person like yourself, is that also a verifiably genetic issue ?
For a lad who had his legs amputated below the knees when he was a baby he has made a remarkable success of his life up until now and inspired thousands of diabled people and children all around the world.
We need to wait for the police to investigate and see what the evidence suggests.
At last somebodies talking some sense! As an amputee myself I have found some of the comments on this thread crass and onoxious. I know ignorance is bliss for some but please try to have a little decorum in what you are stating.
The facts will soon be disclosed and this whole sorry affair will be spelt out in the public forum. Second guessing how a person lives wearing artificial aids is only for those that understand, obviously some of you don't. At 4am I doubt Oscar was even wearing his legs, he is more than likely using a wheel chair or balancing on his stumps. I use crutches at night and Oscar may well have been doing the same. Its not a defence but would have made him feel more vulnerable. It just a very very sad story.
He may be about to lose more than his freedom, looks like he maybe about to lose his medals too, after police found steroids at his house...
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...Steenkamp.html
I'm struggling to think of a case where so much has been leaked by the police so quickly. I know there's no jury in SA but it doesn't seem a particularly professional way to go about things.
Er, what? What the hell do they do then - toss a coin??
A quick Google shows that trial by jury was abolished in South Africa in 1969.
Which doesn't answer the question!
The same thing we do in virtually all civil cases and indeed some criminal cases, which is the same thing done across much of Europe as well - trial by judge.
Meh - don't like the sound of that at all...
Funny, Google seems to avoid the question of what took the place of the jury system in SA. I rather think it's down to the judge himself but it's not clear. Maybe I'm not Googling well enough.
Just answered my own question doh..
"South Africa has a mixed legal system. Its doctrines and concepts are influenced both by the civilian tradition (in an uncodified Romano-Dutch form brought by early Dutch settlers) and by the common law tradition (introduced during the British colonial period).
Indigenous people may still choose to be subject to customary law, so long as it does not conflict with the Constitution."
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Fas est ab hoste doceri
Well I don't really understand why someone who's achieved a lot (firstly for himself - to win - and not to inspire) and someone who's not mentally disabled should be met with leniency in case he/she really committed such a horrible crime they charge him with. If he really used that cricket bat on her and the gun, that surely would be psychopathic wouldn't it... That he was born with a birth defect is a fact and not an insult. Maybe I used a tad of too much sarcasm though.
As you say - let's wait for the result of the investigations.
The windows at your house must glisten like a De Beers Christmas display...
South African law has no principle of sub judice, so newspapers are allowed to print what they like during a trial.
Saffies also abolished the jury system a while back as a fair trial based on evidence is kinda difficult if you have legally enshrined different classes of citizen. The cost of re-introducing it now would be prohibitive.
Cost and worth are not the same thing...
I thought the article said they have ordered a blood test which I expect would be pretty conclusive especially if they have a sample of the steroids found in the house as will know exactly what to look for.
Your chain of custody concerns not withstanding it does seem a bit unlikely to me that the police would want to discredit a national hero, and even if they did that they so happened to have some steroids handy to plant ?
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