Reply With QuoteI don't like patina on black face watches but I think that is a stunning contrast and makes it a very desirable watch which I would be proud to own. Lovely.
I don't like patina on black face watches but I think that is a stunning contrast and makes it a very desirable watch which I would be proud to own. Lovely.
Excellent photo. I love patina so long as it's not falling apart. Yours looks stunning.
Kev
This really shows when WISdom walks a fine line.
Most would consider this a defect, like dials cracking etc., etc., but to some it shows the watch in all it's glory.
Strange habit.
Personally I'd take it back and exchange it for a new one :mrgreen:
Another way to look at ´defect´ is judging it in the light of function.Originally Posted by learningtofly
Except that patina is a natural response to chemical reaction, whereas a cracked/spider dial is a fault in the manufacturing process.
Aside from that you're spot on ;)
The condition/finish of a watch then never consist a defect save for the crystal rendering the face illegible.
Great surface aging, - patina :!:
So don´t go ´restore´it. You will get it yet :wink:
I think it looks gorgeous.....your pics are always wonderful.....
Agree on both! :thumbright:
Hmmm I'm divided, I can see the appeal but the anal perfectionist side of me says I'd like it white.
Lovely pic though :D
Now, now, Cilla - let's not go confusing chemical patina with physical patina (i.e. someone else's wabi), eh?Another way to look at ´defect´ is judging it in the light of function.Except that patina is a natural response to chemical reaction, whereas a cracked/spider dial is a fault in the manufacturing process.
Aside from that you're spot on ;)
The condition/finish of a watch then never consist a defect save for the crystal rendering the face illegible.
Great surface aging, - patina :!:
So don´t go ´restore´it. You will get it yet :wink:
Patina.......
Cheers :)
Patina is maínly proof of time passing (use will add to it too).
Surface wéar (incl. dings and scratches) is proof of use.
Sabi is both realy. It embraces wear by use a bit more than our ´patina´ does.
Perhaps again best illustrated by the crystal; an acryllic will mellow slighly over time and use will scratch it. Too much scratching will add up to a defect.
A lot of surface oxidation and wear on the housing of a watch is just aesthetical change. Unless it gets só bad that it harms the integrity of the case, it does not affect the function of telling time.
For jewelry, incl. a watch doubling as such, the ornamental part is the main function so thén wear an tear by time and use can develop into a defect.
So; when proof of time and use on a watch are considered to be a defect, then the condition of this watch is judged in the function it´s function as jewelry :idea:
That is applied rational logic :mrgreen:
Signed;
See above:
:idea:
Mentioning the matching aging of hands; with the post vintage, pre modern Panerais the so called ´non matching´ lume provides a stríking example of aging processes:
http://www.paneraiblog.us/wp-content/up ... tching.jpg
This is considered to be a :bounce: féature and not a defect whereas from an aesthetical pov it is :roll:
Fúnctionally it is defect when insufficiently glowing in the dark.
Sorry. Obviously missing something. Where's the patina? It's probably just my monitor. Nice photo tho.
Ah. Sorry. Was thinking of a different "patina". You're talking about the colour changes in the luminescent paint over time - presumably caused by some kind of reaction between the Tritium Rolex used (decay?) and the whatever paint was used in the manufacture. Not being a vintage Rolex buff, I was thinking about the wear on the case (see below).The plots on the dial, and the hands, are a deep orange... you can't see that on your monitor?? (I wasn't actually sure if you were being serious or not.)
It's interesting that there is no consistent view on what causes these colour variations - I've seen people ascribing it variously to: Tritium decay, moisture / humidity, light (or the absence of it), heat. I've got some very well-used tritium divers which largely show bleaching, whereas the "new old stock" Squale watches released a while back are noticeably darker. I wonder if the absence of light really is the key cause?
A different kind of patina... by Noodlefish, on Flickr
Interesting subject, and it seems to me that there's a degree of consensus regarding the effect of light; that is, that watches that have been less exposed to light will tend to develop a darker patina to the tritium.
I know there are examples (quite a few of which I've seen) of safe queens that have become very dark over the years; conversely, watches that have been worn in very sunny locations have remained light, or have even lighted over a long period. I assume the sunlight is some kind of catalyst for a chemical reaction that otherwise doesn't occur, or that it negates a reaction that would otherwise occur.
Or something.
Apart from the edges... :wink:
Impressive image. This is a serious question: What does it look like in natural light with no post processing?
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Jim.
Thanks Tony. Custardy, ain't it :wink:Hold on a sec and I'll show you...
Okay, a quick snap but you get the gist:
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Jim.
Hmm.. I am loving that... Now it makes mine look very bland :)
How about some more details.. this is my favourite rolex... how old - any story on it.. looks nicely worn.. unlike alot of your "untouched by any hands"..
Cheers
Matt
Not that much of a story really, Matt - I picked it up from SC a while ago, and have since been trying to determine whether to have one or two things done to tidy it up a bit. As you say, it shows more wear than my norm, but it's one of the things I'm enjoying about it, strangely.
It dates from 1993, and originally came with a black dial; I have that dial too, and it's another custardy match for the hands. My quandaries are around:
1) Replacing the bezel
2) Switching back the dials
3) Finding a black handset for the white dial
4) Just leaving it as-is
I haven't got a clue what I'm going to do, frankly.
As is I reckon!
:idea: :bounce:
Duncan @ Genesis might well have some news for you regarding refinishing the existing bezel. My ExpII was recently with him and he used it as a 'guinea pig' for a new process. The watch is due to be returned to me after the bank holiday so I've not seen the finished article yet but I'm sure that it will be good.
:D
Excellent, thanks. I'd actually spoken to him about a replacement but would much prefer to tidy up the original.Duncan @ Genesis might well have some news for you regarding refinishing the existing bezel. My ExpII was recently with him and he used it as a 'guinea pig' for a new process. The watch is due to be returned to me after the bank holiday so I've not seen the finished article yet but I'm sure that it will be good.
:D
If you remember, would you mind dropping me a line when you have yours back?
I luv patina here's my 16660 dweller 8)
No problem at all. I'm sure that some of my (rubbish) photos will be appearing on here somewhere next week, when I get it back.
Nothing wrong with faulty manufacturing processes. :D
“Don’t look back, you’re not heading that way.”
I was looking at the pic in natural light thinking it would be perfect if the dial was black instead of white and then I read your post about it coming with a black dial...
"A man of little significance"
This is proper patina!
As you can imagine it needed a bit of internal restoration but I left the outside as was, including having three different subdial hands!
"A man of little significance"
Hi
imho....
1) Patina
2) Patina....
3) Patina....
4) No Patina....
and yes Tony , yours has Patina & personally I like it the way it is :)
Best - Neil
...and remove enough material to remove the patina?
Repainting the numbers would look contrasting hard with the rest.
Just toutching them up in line with eachother is a restoring job in the true sense of that word and would be :bounce:
Thát however is a specialists job as it is quite a challenge to paint worn look matching with worn ones.
Nice photos Tony. Don't think I've ever seen Rolex lume as orangey as that, except possibly on a very old watch. I like the creamy look of my GMT's lume but I think I'd be disappointed to see it go as dark as that (just a question of taste, of course).The plots on the dial, and the hands, are a deep orange... you can't see that on your monitor?? (I wasn't actually sure if you were being serious or not.)
great combo... white dial, steel bezel, great patina....always nice to fantasise where a watch like this has been and gone through.
Aged lume - Yes
Wabi'd bezel - Yes
Patina - No
Which applies to the non-matching Panerais too.
Here a 5218-202/A matching and 5218-201/A non-Matching (the strictly civilian model fathers of the 44mm ´Luminor´ case) produced in the same year:
http://www.paneraiblog.us/wp-content/up ... tching.jpg
What is basically a flaw in the manufacturing process has become collectable.
Wether it is desíreable is a matter of taste.
´Restoring´ however would remove the proof of the process of aging; remove history ´written´ in lume :wink:
All sorts of patina...
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