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    Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Junkers Bauhaus range,
    I have always been a fan of the Junghans Max Bill chronoscope, Looks as if I am not alone- The people behind Junkers watches have brought out this extreme homage.... a lower cost option equipped with a modified miyota 9 series.

    http://www.pointtec.de/junkers/6060-5/

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Lovely...
    Prices?

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    Junghans for me.

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Quote Originally Posted by WatchScout
    Junghans for me.
    Me too. In my view the Max Bills are often highly valued by people who know something about the designer (or indeed design in general); I can't see that kind of audience being swayed by something that looks, in comparison, really quite nasty. Clearly not for the purist and I can't see it making that much of a dent in Junghans' sales.
    In the Sotadic Zone, apparently.

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    They look okay, but I'd prefer a Junghans Max Bill every time.

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    I like it. Some more photos here http://nomos.siteboard.org/f33t6288-sag ... s-nie.html .

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    I prefer the Max Bill, though I'd still say the Junkers is a nice watch.

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    How about a "Kick in the eye" model ?

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Quote Originally Posted by Optimum
    Great pictures, they really know how to macro over there....

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross





    This is the Orient 60th Anniversary. And there is also the Tissot Visodate. Curved dials are the new black.

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    The Junkers is beautiful, as is the Max Bill.

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    I've always liked the max bill, and the Junkers looks pretty nice too. But I think if I had the choice I'd still go for the Max Bill

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Quote Originally Posted by MORRI
    Junkers Bauhaus range,
    I have always been a fan of the Junghans Max Bill chronoscope, Looks as if I am not alone- The people behind Junkers watches have brought out this extreme homage.... a lower cost option equipped with a modified miyota 9 series.

    http://www.pointtec.de/junkers/6060-5/
    Good for them; the Junghans is getting very expensive.

    BTW this design has been in the public domain for decades already. It no longer belongs to anyone, and everyone can make a watch with this design now.
    ...but what do I know; I don't even like watches!

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Quote Originally Posted by andrew
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    Good for them; the Junghans is getting very expensive.


    No! This is expensive. :silent:

    Pretty tho. :love10:

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Quote Originally Posted by abraxas
    Quote Originally Posted by andrew
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    Good for them; the Junghans is getting very expensive.


    No! This is expensive. :silent:

    Pretty tho. :love10:

    john
    I don't like the subdials on that one, too much towards the center of the watch. Due to the caliber used, and the populair 'bigger=better'-trend...

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Quote Originally Posted by Carlton-Browne
    Quote Originally Posted by WatchScout
    Junghans for me.
    Me too. In my view the Max Bills are often highly valued by people who know something about the designer (or indeed design in general);
    Completely agree. I definetly put myself in this category (I'm always more attracted by design of watches over their mechanical prowess) and their just a little too busy. Both the Junkers text and logo take up far too much space

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Quote Originally Posted by gawkrodger
    Quote Originally Posted by Carlton-Browne
    Quote Originally Posted by WatchScout
    Junghans for me.
    Me too. In my view the Max Bills are often highly valued by people who know something about the designer (or indeed design in general);
    Completely agree. I definetly put myself in this category (I'm always more attracted by design of watches over their mechanical prowess) and their just a little too busy. Both the Junkers text and logo take up far too much space
    Good critique.... I agree, somebody should have gone for a much less bold typeface on the name IMHO

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Well this thread has pushed me over the edge to order a........you guessed it, Max Bill Auto. :wink:

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Max Bill for me,

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Quote Originally Posted by loqv75
    Max Bill for me,


    Me too! :P

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Quote Originally Posted by Carlton-Browne
    Quote Originally Posted by WatchScout
    Junghans for me.
    Me too. In my view the Max Bills are often highly valued by people who know something about the designer (or indeed design in general); I can't see that kind of audience being swayed by something that looks, in comparison, really quite nasty. Clearly not for the purist and I can't see it making that much of a dent in Junghans' sales.


    An original Max Bill.

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    The Georg Jensen seems to be suffering from small movement disorder.

    It could be nice if it was spaced out a little more.

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Quote Originally Posted by abraxas


    An original Max Bill.

    john
    Thanks for that, very interesting. This is one of the two that started this illness; inherited from my late father-in-law. I had originally supposed it to be a Max Bill but then, when I learned of the Junghans models, assumed that I was in error. What do you think? There are similarities but, I still suspect, no cigar.

    In the Sotadic Zone, apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackie
    How about a "Kick in the eye" model ?
    Nah, I'll take the lagartija nick special edition :mrgreen:

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Quote Originally Posted by abraxas
    Quote Originally Posted by loqv75
    Max Bill for me,


    Me too! :P

    john
    I think this Meister is not a Max Bill Design but look 10000000000000000X better than this st***d Junky(ers) "Bauhaus design"
    Prefer to buy a good replica than this kind of watches. Peace

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Quote Originally Posted by MORRI
    Junkers Bauhaus range,
    I have always been a fan of the Junghans Max Bill chronoscope, Looks as if I am not alone- The people behind Junkers watches have brought out this extreme homage.... a lower cost option equipped with a modified miyota 9 series.

    http://www.pointtec.de/junkers/6060-5/
    I think we can´t compare at all. Max Bill is true chronograph and Junkers is not.


    Junker with power reserve and 24 hour dial.


    Junghans....

    But if we really must then Junkers logo is my "no no". Too visible.

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Nice looking watches! But personally I would go for the original!

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    One plus point for the Junkers is that it isn't saddled with the silly 7750 imposed height of the Chronoscope.

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Quote Originally Posted by Carlton-Browne
    ..........

    Thanks for that, very interesting. This is one of the two that started this illness; inherited from my late father-in-law. I had originally supposed it to be a Max Bill but then, when I learned of the Junghans models, assumed that I was in error. What do you think? There are similarities but, I still suspect, no cigar.

    That one looks like real gold, being a chronometer and all. From my research (and it's not easy to find details) Max Bill 'worked' with Junghans from the early '50s to the late '60s and he had a lot to do with the look of the brand even when his name was not directly connected with specific models.

    I have as yet to conclude, if the 'curved dial' aspect was already being offered by Junghans, prior to Max Bill joining the firm or if he was responsible for it. You will find the same models with either 'Meister', 'Chronometer', or 'Trilastic' on the dial. My feeling is (and it is just a feeling) that the name Trilastic was the original term for the curved-dial ... the name Meister has been in use since the '30s (the earlier reference I can find). You will also see varying degrees of 'doming'. The example I posted above is probably the most extreme. Yours is a 'Max Bill' as much as all the others are during his stay with the firm.

    Here you will find 10 pages of historic Junghans fodder:
    http://uhrforum.de/zum-150-geburtstag-z ... ren-t74940

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Thanks for that; just goes to show how prolific Junghans were, particularly in the last century. Unfortunately mine is only gold plated but treasured neverthless.
    In the Sotadic Zone, apparently.

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Quote Originally Posted by loqv75
    Quote Originally Posted by abraxas
    Quote Originally Posted by loqv75
    Max Bill for me,


    Me too! :P

    john
    I think this Meister is not a Max Bill Design but look 10000000000000000X better than this st***d Junky(ers) "Bauhaus design"
    Prefer to buy a good replica than this kind of watches. Peace
    The Meister Chronoscope* is neither a Max Bill, or Bauhaus. It's part of the limited "150th Anniversary" collection.

    john


    * How can a watch not have its own name? They have a whole bunch of models with exactly the same name :evil: . Anyway, the model number is 027/4120.00
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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Quote Originally Posted by Carlton-Browne
    Thanks for that; just goes to show how prolific Junghans were, particularly in the last century. Unfortunately mine is only gold plated but treasured neverthless.


    Oops! It being a chronometer I assumed it to be solid gold. The new chronometer is to die for. And there are only going to be 150 of these.

    The SS model:
    http://forumamontres.forumactif.com/t10 ... tos-inside

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Quote Originally Posted by Optimum
    One plus point for the Junkers is that it isn't saddled with the silly 7750 imposed height of the Chronoscope.
    Seems to be so that difference is 2-3 mm only from middle. How ever Chronoscope is thin from the sides (like "UFO") so it wears much thinner than numbers will tell (I tell from experience). No experience from Junkers but according the pictures it is also thinner from sides but maybe not so drastically as is Chronoscope.





    From the Junkers my Bauhaus solution (about 479 eur) is near by this:


    ... but sorry; Still prefer Junghans (540-675 eur)

    or Stowa (570-690 eur)

    because the price is already near by.

    JP

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Quote Originally Posted by abraxas
    That one looks like real gold, being a chronometer and all. From my research (and it's not easy to find details) Max Bill 'worked' with Junghans from the early '50s to the late '60s and he had a lot to do with the look of the brand even when his name was not directly connected with specific models.

    I have as yet to conclude, if the 'curved dial' aspect was already being offered by Junghans, prior to Max Bill joining the firm or if he was responsible for it. You will find the same models with either 'Meister', 'Chronometer', or 'Trilastic' on the dial. My feeling is (and it is just a feeling) that the name Trilastic was the original term for the curved-dial ... the name Meister has been in use since the '30s (the earlier reference I can find). You will also see varying degrees of 'doming'. The example I posted above is probably the most extreme. Yours is a 'Max Bill' as much as all the others are during his stay with the firm.

    Here you will find 10 pages of historic Junghans fodder:
    http://uhrforum.de/zum-150-geburtstag-z ... ren-t74940

    john
    Trilastic refers to a Junghans design which used three little pistons protruding from the baseplate of the movement instead of a normal movement retainer ring. Here's an example: http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...unghans_693_25
    The first movements where these "pistons" were used are AFAIK from the early 50's, don't know whether that coincides with the curved dials or not.

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Quote Originally Posted by neuman356
    ........

    Trilastic refers to a Junghans design which used three little pistons protruding from the baseplate of the movement instead of a normal movement retainer ring. Here's an example: http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...unghans_693_25
    The first movements where these "pistons" were used are AFAIK from the early 50's, don't know whether that coincides with the curved dials or not.
    Thank you very much. That is excellent, new to me, info.

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Quote Originally Posted by abraxas

    Thank you very much. That is excellent, new to me, info.

    john
    +1
    I've got one of those as well which came to me with the chronometer
    In the Sotadic Zone, apparently.

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    I'd consider this, even if it is quartz. But I have a Seagull 1963 to fill this style niche.
    http://www.pointtec.de/junkers/6086-5/

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Quote Originally Posted by abraxas
    Quote Originally Posted by Carlton-Browne
    Quote Originally Posted by WatchScout
    Junghans for me.
    Me too. In my view the Max Bills are often highly valued by people who know something about the designer (or indeed design in general); I can't see that kind of audience being swayed by something that looks, in comparison, really quite nasty. Clearly not for the purist and I can't see it making that much of a dent in Junghans' sales.


    An original Max Bill.

    john
    Yes, me too. I have had one of the Junghans with the chronometer movement on my list for a good while now. Classic style and a very high grade movement in them as well.

    The Junkers though is a nice watch in itself from what I have seen from the photos. The really make a propoer judgement on it I will have to see it on the wrist.

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Quote Originally Posted by Glamdring
    I'd consider this, even if it is quartz. But I have a Seagull 1963 to fill this style niche.
    http://www.pointtec.de/junkers/6086-5/
    Yes, pretty isn't it?

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Quote Originally Posted by JP (Europe)
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimum
    One plus point for the Junkers is that it isn't saddled with the silly 7750 imposed height of the Chronoscope.
    Seems to be so that difference is 2-3 mm only from middle. How ever Chronoscope is thin from the sides (like "UFO") so it wears much thinner than numbers will tell (I tell from experience). No experience from Junkers but according the pictures it is also thinner from sides but maybe not so drastically as is Chronoscope.

    ..........


    This is a profile pic of the Meister chrono. Yes it disguises its height very well for a 7750. Having said that, if I was Junghans I would have taken the rotor off and sold it as a hand wound, thus reducing the height to the minimum.

    Let me give you some thought provoking numbers. The case of the Meister chrono is 40.7mm. The dial is 38mm which leaves less than 1˝mm of bezel width ... and as we are into numbers the lug width is 21mm. :(

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    Re: Junkers Bauhaus range- I think Junghans may be a bit cross

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser
    Yes, me too. I have had one of the Junghans with the chronometer movement on my list for a good while now. Classic style and a very high grade movement in them as well.

    The Junkers though is a nice watch in itself from what I have seen from the photos. The really make a propoer judgement on it I will have to see it on the wrist.
    The Chronometer and also the Meister are definitely gems and the ones to go for if you can find them for a good price and in decent condition. The cal. J82/85 is a rather pretty movement.

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