I would choose the PP by a whisker. The classic design of the AP has been a little over exposed in their other incarnations.
The AP bracelet is attached with screws and the PP uses springbars.
I would choose the PP by a whisker. The classic design of the AP has been a little over exposed in their other incarnations.
Maybe it is just me
I can in some way see the point if they as AP use screws (looks good)
but pin holes with springsbars in this price range is a no go for me.
And I have no fear with the fact that springs bars hold on to (for me) my expensive JLC bracelet
but as I said a small thing in two very nice warches :)
Wear them in good health 8)
Interesting, thanks. I think it speaks volumes for the quality of JLC movements that the top tier watch houses were/are happy to use their movements, and I believe they supplied PP as recently as the 1980s. I'm a big admirer of JLC, and I think the movement in my RDM appears in a considerably more expensive VC. Perhaps I'm being too much of a purist?Originally Posted by Argee1977
JLC are pretty much the best movement manufacturers for me out of the big ones, they've supplied countless others with their movements, and i would hazard a guess that since moving into Richemont, they've been influential with the other brands in the stable, just look at Panerai and all their in-house movements, as well as the others.
100% agree to me there is no one like JLC in the watch world today 8
A true purist should own at least one watch with the 2120 movement. :wink:Originally Posted by TheDude
Maybe I should look for a VC 222. ;-)
Another great Genta design. Good choice. :)Originally Posted by TheDude
Great thread Kris, two of my all time favourites and it's really difficult to choose one ahead of the other. Both of these are true icons and along with the VC 222 represent the greatest of Gerald Genta's genius.
If money were no object then the Nautilus would definitely be No 1 for me, it just oozes understated class and has always been a grail. Resale values are rock solid also, which is nice when you're going to part with £15.5k!
However, in the real world the 15202 ( and it has to be a 15202 not a 15300!) comes mighty close to the Patek and due to residuals is much more easily attainable on the second-hand market. Having tried on both of these I also really love the way the AP wears on the wrist, it feels much bigger than 39mm and the bracelet is a work of art. So whilst the Patek will perhaps be an unobtainable grail, I hope someday to have the pleasure of a 15202 in the collection.
Thanks for sharing these two wonderful pieces.
Michael.
Originally Posted by Kris77
It was actually Jorg Hysek who designed the VC 222, Genta did the AP RO, PP Nautilus and the IWC Ingenieur
:lol: definitely inspired by Genta's design.Originally Posted by Argee1977
I'm glad you enjoyed it, Michael. Thanks for the kind comments.Originally Posted by Burak
Originally Posted by Kris77
Yeah, it's quite possibly the biggest story that grew arms and legs, it's all quite funny the way things were done back then, Genta wasn't actually allowed to publicise that he designed the Nautilus, PP wanted to make it out that it was in-house design, god knows why, it had the look, same with the Ingy, and the 222 just looked like the RO with a different bezel, so caused confusion.
Apparently it's unclear who designed the VC 222:
http://www.thehourlounge.com/thread/vie ... 35848.html
It does indeed look like a Genta design though.
How did I miss this thread!
Two absolute grails, gorgeous
gorgeous watches! nice comparo
Patek for me, I always thought the bezel on the AP looked undecided- is it octagonal or round? In any case I also dislike hobnail dials. I can see that both are great original designs, but to each his own.....