Reply With QuoteI was thinking of slaying the dragon, but unfortunately it may result in court appearances; anyway, she is going to her cousin's.
Anyone doing something special or unfortuanatly is it just another day to you ?
I was thinking of slaying the dragon, but unfortunately it may result in court appearances; anyway, she is going to her cousin's.
Bravo 👏Originally Posted by unclealec
Did I hear somewhere that he was a Roman, of middle Eastern descent, and not likely English?
Anyway, the other nations have a national holiday for their saints but the English don't. Bit unfair that.
It's strange how some countries "get it" and others don't.
The Irish get it; the Welsh too.
But England, and probably Scotland as well, the Patron Saint thing just hasn't gripped the nationalistic psyche to the same extent.
I am hugely Anglophile in a positive way as opposed to a protagonistic way, but St George's Day just hasn't grabbed me, nor many others.
I don't see any harm in celebrating it should you feel motivated so to do; but I don't think of myself as any less patriotic because I don't.
He's from Cappodocia in Turkey, born 275 ad was a snr soldier in the Roman legions, a Christian he objected to persecuting Christians and the Romans beheaded him.
One of the 13th century English king Edwards, sort've adopted him and the story which had grown in the intervening years, also the Crusades white tabard/ surcoat red cross, George had become a figure embodying the virtues of heroism, steadfastness, sacrifice etc, sort've of marketing exercise by Edward to project the values he wanted England to represent. Cynical load of marketing really. There was no dragon in the origin story of his life...obvs the Dragon is a European symbol of evil and George the British saint would stand against it.
The wife's being paid to do a lecture to some Spanish school kids, so I've heard some of the prep.
Please tell me more about this Greek born in modern day Turkey and who died in Palestine without ever seeing this country's hallowed shores, and of its significance especially today.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
Bear pit bait.
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
'Populism, the last refuge of a Tory scoundrel'.
It's a rather peculiarly English phenomenon ain't it, we do lurve a good story, even if it has to be a heavily embroidered import. Mrs P was asking me for the purpose of this lecture today , so what do you guys do to celebrate your St.s Day, uhm not a thing, sorry hon I can't recall ever going / seeing an event. Ironic this George bugger is just the type of foreigner many English wouldn't want to let in the country nowadays. Pretty funny really.We're an increasingly weird, funny lot, gotta admit.
it makes the Tommy Robinson's, Inglish till we die, St. George cross wavers look even dafter...when you know the original George's origins...chortleBear pit bait.
Ah Ingland.
It's sadly at odds with my childhood memories of the cross of St George flying above the local church, back then it represented fairness, an out stretched hand to those in need, a country with it's feet firmly planted in the idea of decency, good triumphing over bad and the rule of law, a sort of ''Foyle's War'' notion of England if you will, but now hijacked by the kind of people ''our boys'' fought against, and the imagery that goes with it such as stern armour clad crusaders, sigh it harks back to 1930's Teutonic knights.it makes the Tommy Robinson's, Inglish till we die, St. George cross wavers look even dafter...when you know the original George's origins...chortle
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"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
'Populism, the last refuge of a Tory scoundrel'.
Maybe save the cynicism for the BP.
Big day for the Scouts.
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Ah sadly the outstretched hand has turned into a raised fist my friend.
Why unfortuanatly (sic)?
Kinda weird thing to ask imho, to me every day is special, I feel fortunate to have each one.
Interested in Tiggers thoughts...
I suspect he's achieved his objective.Kinda weird thing to ask imho, to me every day is special, I feel fortunate to have each one.
Interested in Tiggers thoughts...
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
'Populism, the last refuge of a Tory scoundrel'.
Respectfully it ain't cynicism when the historical facts are known, understood, they demonstrate how the adoption of a propagandised version of George as a patron saint of England was a political move by the king, Edward 111, 1327...Ah twas a time we loved the facts on TZ
Were you born in 2010?
Obviously.
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
'Populism, the last refuge of a Tory scoundrel'.
Moths to the flame.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
On yer bikeMoths to the flame.
Oh hello, fancy seeing you here.On yer bike
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
You tooOh hello, fancy seeing you here.
Any rules broken?Moths to the flame.
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
'Populism, the last refuge of a Tory scoundrel'.
Nobody mentioned rules. Except you. Merely an observation old chap.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Noted.
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
'Populism, the last refuge of a Tory scoundrel'.
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
'Populism, the last refuge of a Tory scoundrel'.
HAHAHAHA...jaeger bombs lolz
St. Patrick reputedly drove ALL the snakes out of Ireland and St. Columba if you can believe the hagiographers was the first recorded encounter with Nessie...now they were proper saints.
But dodge the lampposts ;)On yer bike
And ensure the stabilizers are firmly attached.
Do they fit choppers?
"Your'e looking very spruce this morning Major" "St Georges day old boy!"
Be careful if you celebrate St George’s day you may well be classed as a racist.
Odd thing about patron saints not coming from the lands they represent. St Patrick was born in England and captured by Irish pirates. St Andrew was born in Galilee and never set foot in Scotland. St Denis of France (one of many French patron saints) was born in Italy. Strange bunch when all's said and done.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
This is incorrect. Denis was Bishop of Paris (before it was Paris). Andrew did go to Scotland (allegedly), albeit as relics long after his death.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
If the cap fits…
Nice dig at someone you do not know.
My comment was based on observations that occur every year when St George’s day comes around.
Wearing a Burberry baseball cap while you celebrate it is the way to go.
Yes, I don’t know you and I wasn’t taking a dig at you. Nationalism is fine up to a point, but all too often those draping themselves in whatever flag they identify with all too often think it’s necessary to denigrate other nations whist celebrating their own homeland. I don’t want to wave any flag.
I had this exact conversation on site in Amsterdam yesterday
The guys and girls on site are all looking forward to Kings Day on Saturday.
I mentioned St George’s day and that nobody I know bothers with it, largely because it has been hijacked by those wanting to promote the wrong aspects of national pride. The site is largely Irish and Dutch workers and they were shocked.
The Dutch and Irish look at their days as a reason for a celebration. The English don’t,
No it's correct. Denis was bishop of Paris and is a patron saint of France. He was born in Italy and travelled from Rome to Gaul, where he was apparently beheaded by the Romans in their persecution of Christians. Could probably have saved the bother of travelling all that way and been beheaded back in Rome!
Touché. That was brilliant even for you!
Apparently a kneecap, an upper arm bone, three fingers and a tooth.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Sorry Ian, read too fast and thought you had said he hadn’t set foot in France. The confusion was possible as there was also a Denis bishop of Athens which indeed never did. Which is why my answer was off the mark.No it's correct. Denis was bishop of Paris and is a patron saint of France. He was born in Italy and travelled from Rome to Gaul, where he was apparently beheaded by the Romans in their persecution of Christians. Could probably have saved the bother of travelling all that way and been beheaded back in Rome!
Touché. That was brilliant even for you!
Apparently a kneecap, an upper arm bone, three fingers and a tooth.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
Hey no worries, thought it was probably the case. Interesting stuff though.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Perhaps some English don't but I do and I'm sure many others do and I don't need to go out and get pissed to celebrate the day, just a few text messages between friends and a Pepsi Max and I'm happy :)
ps: It was just a general question by me and nothing else so the interesting history lessons were not needed but thanks all the same.
FFS !!!
Think that’s pretty accurate
Go to America, Ireland, Turkey, anywhere really, flags everywhere and I think it’s nice, but the second I see a flag here I just think of EDL, BMP, Britain First and that muslamic ray guns video
The silent majority who never stfu and have completely hijacked it
Saint George's Day is the feast day of Saint George, celebrated by Christian churches, countries, and regions of which he is the patron saint, including Albania, Bulgaria, England, Ethiopia, Greece, Georgia, Portugal, Romania, Syria, Lebanon, Castile and León, Catalonia, Alcoi, Aragon, and Rio de Janeiro.
There's some kind of connection to Bavaria, too, but I'm not sure he's their patron saint.
To be honest, Patron Saints mean nothing to me, as I'm an atheist.
If there's a nice English ale in it, though, I'm happy to raise a toast to him and all those in all the countries who have happily adopted him.
Let's be honest, Patron Saints days are really only about selling stuff (See St Patrick's day).
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