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Such a watch seems surprisingly hard to find. I like manual-wind and a watch without a date on the dial.And it should be water resistant to 10atm, just to give a safety margin. The obvious candidates such as the Speedy Pro, don't have the water resistance. Others have a date.
Any suggestions?
Budget?
Must be a Patek or VC out there with those requirements.
Smiths prs 29? Nomos Club?
Nomos Club. It’s a beauty!
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Schofield Daymark ?
https://schofieldwatchcompany.com/product/daymark/
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Sorry just realised not manual wind !
PRS 29a Smiths
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29b for me
Well, well; both the Nomos Club and Smiths do fit the bill. I would never have thought of either. Any other candidates come to mind? As for Patek and VC. I wouldn't dare submerge such a watch, even if they make one. Too expensive, too delicate.
If only Rolex would make such a watch...but they will never make a manual again, I fear,
Fail to see why the OP wants the watch to be waterproof to 10 bar! The safety margin argument doesn`t really add up, it isn`t like measuring the amount of tread on tyres. This topics been done to death several times, no wish to re-open the debate, but finding a hand-wound no date watch isn`t easy and stipulating such a WR figure won`t help.
I tested a TAG Monza case I've been working on last night, that's rated to 3 bar and that's what I tested it at; looking at the wet tester and the pressure gauge reminded me just how rigorous a rating 3 bar is, 30 metres is a lot of water!
Interestingly, I`d fitted new pushers and one leaked initially where the pusher body is pressed into the case. After refitting both using Loctite the problem was solved and the case was fine. This proves my point, a leaking case is a leaking case and this leaked initially at 6 inches of water in the sink! Usually they either leak or they don`t, and a 30M WR watch in good condition will be fine. A watch rated to 10Bar will leak at 6 inches if it has a fault, the 'safety margin philosophy is flawed IMO.
Hope the OP finds what he's looking for............but it doubt he needs to have 100M WR!
Paul
Some Panerai Radiomirs will fit your manual, no-date, 100m WR requirements.
Omega Railmaster XXL 49mm
Hand wound, no date and 150m WR
This ones sold but you get the idea?
It's a bit big though for most and probably like hens teeth to find?
https://www.blowers-jewellers.co.uk/...ailmaster-xxl/
Get an Oysterdate Precision 6694, manual wind, screw down crown w/r 100m after a service and small enough to go anywhere!
You might have to ignore the cyclops though:worked_till_5am::worked_till_5am:I'll get me coat!
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Amazing how many ideas pop up. For which, thanks. The really obvious....a Panerei...never occurred to me. A base model, 44mm, might do the trick, so I will investigate. I have never owned a Panerei. Maybe the time has come. But I want one of the simplest models. And certainly not 47mm,.,....
Hublot classic fusion will give you 50m WRhttps://dvciknd2kslsk.cloudfront.net...ality=90;h=425
Does it have to be new? How about a vintage manual wind Vostok Amfibia?
https://www.audemarspiguet.com/en/wa....OO.D027CA.01/
As you didn't mention budget - AP Royal Oak Offshore Tourbillon Chronograph..
https://www.audemarspiguet.com/image...22b_mobile.jpg
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Leftfield option...
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The Pinion Pure.
Available in polished stainless steel, the Pure is water resistant to 100 metres
and is powered by a Swiss made handwound movement.
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Speedmaster is 50m wrt. Enough for all but diving? Martyn
Already mentioned several times. Beautiful watch.
http://www.timefactors.com/images/smithsmil1.jpg
Heuer Autavia 2446 and 2446C. Cheap at half the price.
OP can I ask why specifically manual wind - given that you could manually wind an automatic if you wanted and 100m often comes with screw down crown.
If it is about case thickness then would you accept a thin automatic?
Lots of Panerai variants would fit that bill. There's one on SC at the moment
3 bar is 20 metres, not 30 metres.Quote:
Originally Posted by walkerwek1958
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No, usually pressures are stated as gauge pressures, not absolute pressures, so 3 Bar would normally be 30mQuote:
Originally Posted by berin
We’re talking bar (g) not bar absolute. 1 bar =1019.72 cm water so 3 bar is 30M. To be pedantic you could correct for the density of water at a given temperature but I think thst’s getting a bit carried away.Quote:
Originally Posted by berin
Paul
The reason I would like 100metre water resistance is for two reasons; it gives a nice safety margin as the watch ages and seals weaken and, to get 100metre wr you have to build a tough watch, which has a number of benefits.
Most of us own cars which easily do 120mph, even though we rarely go above 80mph. Big margins are strangely comforting. Not strictly necessary, but reassuring. Many things in life aren't entirely rational.
Like expensive watches.
Peace of mind is lovely
Yes, 1bar equals more or less 10m of water, but we already have 1 bar at the surface. So 3 bar absolute/ambient equals 1 bar at the surface plus 2 bar, which is 20m depth of water. A diving gauge is calibrated to read zero at the surface, so it will read 30 meters at 3 bar of water pressure, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by walkerwek1958
Unless your watch was assembled in a vacuum, would it not already have 1 bar of pressure on the inside as well? In otherwords, at sea level the effective pressure is 0 or neutral. Therefore a 5 atm rating would allow you to go down 50m.Quote:
Originally Posted by berin
Is that right?
I believe if the seals weaken then whether it's 1 bar or 100 bars the case will leak. The water resistance is only as good as the seals if you like. Manufactures usually state something along the lines of getting it pressure tested once a year especially if you do get it wet regularly. I appreciate the feeling of wanting to have a robust watch and people relied on this when mechanical watches were the only realistic timekeeping devices for the individual. But they have always been instruments for telling the time with fairly vulnerable weak points for potential failure. Now, decades on from the first the days of g shocks, this is more true than ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by paskinner
Yes, I believe so, if, as Sweets said above watch pressures ratings are gauge pressures not absolute pressures, in which I'm sure he's right. However (and this opens a whole other discussion) it's not recommended to use a watch for diving unless it has a 200m rating, and has a rating as a Dive watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfat33
Actually, as has been mentioned, probably more down to age and condition of seals etc. - a 200m dive watch with a crumbly o ring wont be as waterproof as a 50m rated watch with good seal
Hamilton Khaki Mechanical.
ETA 6497 manual wind.
100m (10 bar) WR.
No date.
Nomos 38 Campus or Campus night; meets all the criteria. Lovely looking watch, IMO.
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You tell him.......I can’t be arsed. It’s bloody obvious when you think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfat33
As for the OP’s quest, he would be unwise to reject a watch simply because the WR was below 100 metres, but he’s got that number in his head and he’s unlikely to change, even though the logic’s flawed.
I like hand-wound vintage watches but I’m struggling to see the appeal if he’s looking for a new watch.
Paul
The logic isn’t that flawed though is it Paul, it’s just not consistent across manufacturers. In my personal experience some 50m rated watches are about as water resistant as a paper towel, whereas some are great like an early Casio I used to own :)
A 50M WR rated watch should be just that, waterproof to a pressure of 5bar. Likewise a 30M watch should be waterproof to 30M. If they aten’t they’re either badly assembled or, in the case of old watches, the seals have degraded or the sealing surfaces have suffered from pitting and are unable to form a seal. Once these defects are present it doesn’t matter what the original rating was, all bets are now off and the watch will probably leak in 6 inches of water.
This is why the OP’s logic is flawed, the concept of ‘safety margin’ is unrealistic if the watch leaks owing to a flaw or fault.
The TAG Monza I worked on was a classic case, I fitted a new pusher which press-fitted into the case, thus relying on metal to metal interference for the seal, and it leaked. It leaked at 6 inches water pressure because the watch had a flaw. I subsequently refitted the pushers using loctite and the watch passed a 3 bar test. This shouldn’t have been necessary but it was, and that’s why a case that’s had major work needs testing.
Think of it like being pregnant, usually there are no shades of grey! If a watch leaks it leaks. With old watches that have pitting on sealing faces a scenario where the watch will seal up to 1 bar but not beyond is possible, I’ve had that myself, but generally it’s ‘ all or nothing’.......regardless of what it says on the dial.
Paul
Good choice. I remember picking one of these up for about £700! That was about 8-10 years ago mind :worked_till_5am:Quote:
Originally Posted by oldoakknives
Exactly and although I would agree with the comments already made about WR, I would never swim or snorkel with anything less than 100/200m. My wife's 50m watch was a total disaster when it came to WR. Didn't bother after that. Illogical perhaps but more cost effective :smug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Omegamanic
Is there a Glycine Combat that ticks all the boxes? On the Field Watch thread Meijlinder posted an auto version that's date free and 100m. I've a vague memory of them also using the 2801 but I might simply be getting confused with the Hamilton.
Tick, tick, tick, boom! Have one on my wrist right now that meets the criteria ;)....
https://i.imgur.com/aRtza76.jpg?1
Thanks for all the suggestions . There is more choice than I had realised. I decided to chicken-out and buy a Speedmaster Pro TinTin. This replaces my Speedy Tuesday, which wasn't quite right for me...and, to be honest, made a profit.
But I haven't the nerve to test the water resistance by swimming. So the TinTin might get wet when washing-up or walking in heavy rain, but that's the limit. Off now to try to get a suitable strap. Never got on with the bracelet. Once again, thanks for all the ideas; one day.........
Got a Hirsch Tiger strap with Omega buckle.
It deserves an Omega Strap and deployant IMO.
Have you seen the prices? And, fortunately, I prefer buckles. Even that Omega buckle cost £46. Add £65 for the strap and it doesn't come cheap. Tomorrow my Omega MD10 chronometer gets a nice brown alligator strap and I already have a proper Omega gold buckle for that.
It all adds up. An Omega strap for that model costs £260 with a months delay.
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