Or - Were originally given a double dose, now a single dose.
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https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...octor-12511224
Interesting exchange with Javid and doctor / nurses.
Mr James told the PA news agency he did not believe Covid-19 was causing very significant problems for young people, adding that his patients in the ICU had been extremely overweight with multiple other co-morbidities.
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I was being sarcastic, I really hoped that was half apparent. The correct answer perhaps comes from ancient Japanese philosophy: Mu, the question you have asked is not. Usually because it is unhelpful, meaningless or misleading. Unask it as silence or nothingness would be more helpful.
Quite a lot of rather good ordinary language philosophy was picked up by later zen traditions as poorly understood koans and didnt grasp that the earlier traditions were fiddling around with the logical limits of language. The ancient Chinese Koreans and Japanese came very close to developing a first order propositional calculus a thousand years before Russell.
Some data from Canada:
Much more here: https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-1...ccine-outcomes
Data from Seattle & King County:
https://kingcounty.gov/depts/health/...-outcomes.aspx
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Worth a listen.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1463926037889396736
Yes, I think weight is a significant factor, at least after a certain point. But Stephen Nolan is not a role model to millions. Furthermore he has publicised his efforts (successful a while back) to lose weight.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/...cid=mm7101a4_w
The last columns shows the adjusted odds ratio:
while:
The only risk factor that have a very strong statistical influence is age and previous infection/vaccination. You also have some medical conditions, but the overall result on your risk are marginal for most, including obesity.
Compare also: https://cmajnews.com/2021/06/25/covid-obesity-1095952/
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...089-9/fulltext
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4130
https://evidence.nihr.ac.uk/alert/ex...vere-covid-19/
https://www.science.org/content/arti...f-theyre-young
Something like 75% of ICU patients are overweight.
The NHS have just started a campaign for people to lose weight (something that should have been done years ago). People cant necessarily help having other medical conditions but most can do something about their weight.
Bollocks! We have to publish our data whether it is positive or negative.
Funny how we havent seen this increase in the adverse event reporting or in the real world setting after 18 months and 9.5 billion doses given.
This is the danger of just reporting one persons personal view on data that cant be peer reviewed, it is just hearsay. I dont know how they can demonstrate a 5 year increase in heart attacks following the mRNA vaccines when we only have data for up to 2 years. That is some serious extrapolation and statistical modelling! I have reviewed many major cardiology randomised, controlled trials over the years looking at reducing heart attacks that have run for 3 years or more with tens of thousands of patients and they would struggle to demonstrate such extrapolated risk reduction even based on excellent mortality benefits observed during the trial! So excuse me that without peer review, I will take this with a large pinch of salt!
On another topic, I am really interested in understanding why is it that you guys accept this type of hearsay and this potential modelling when you reject the actual published data and progression modelling that we have seen? Why is that, what TRICK are you hoping to find?
What is the percentage of the population that is classed as overweight or obesity. When you have that information then your percentage above may become meaningful!
The NHS has campaign for weight loss pretty much continuously for the last 20 years. Just because they refreshed the campaign doesnt mean they have just started!
No one is saying that weight is not a risk factor but it is not the major risk factor that you are attempting to make it. Maybe because this condition doesnt affect you and you are looking for reassuring information? There are so many risks and Raffe has shared some actual good data, every condition that is above 1 indicates a possible risk increase but not necessarily a statistical increased risk as Raffe also pointed out.
We also have to consider the interplay of those risks as someone will have more than one e.g. an over 65 year old black man with diabetes, with a chronic lung condition may also be overweight but I bet you that his weight will not be his driving risk factor.
So please stop trying to make COVID 19 a disease of the Obese. It isnt.
I wasn’t trying to make it a disease of the obese. I was pointing out that obesity is more than a marginal factor (and one that most people can do something about to mitigate the risk) as you would note if you read the articles I’ve posted links to.
Edit; interesting stats
https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/...a-00505601089b
Of course its bollocks, you don't want to believe anything negative towards the vaccine. Just another medical professional voicing his concerns with his "tin hat" on..
If you notice he says it needs "investigating" he's not saying it's cut and dry.
Let's be honest with the reporting of good and negative data, no you don't have to report it! You simply don't have to find it...
This is why some of the biggest settlements have come from pharma such as GSK and everyone's favourite Pfizer which has a conviction sheet as long as your arm.
GB News?
Lolz
75% of ICU patients are overweight? Where is that data from? Do you understand the difference between looking at a person and stating they are overweight versus clinical obesity?
The NHS will always start a campaign for people to lose weight because it makes sense. That has nothing to do with Covid risks.
Obesity is a marginal risk, it will increase your risk of severe outcome (incl death) by 30%. That is less than most other underlying medical conditions. I posted the data above, but you claim to know better? Well.
By the way, high blood pressure is a risk factor as well. Just saying.
Higher than obesity.
And again, we are talking clinical obesity, not people who carry two stone of fat on their ribs.
I would be the last person to say that the Pharma Industry is whiter than white and hasnt done some serious dodgy stuff in the past. Just like any place where there is a lot of money involved you will find some bad people but do not colour everyone how works in that industry the same. We are not.
But in fact those past behaviours have led, quite rightly, to the industry being one of the most regulated business in the World! We cant even give a 10p pen away anymore and so yea we do have to publish all our data.
However, in that clip it was a rehash of old biases and poor reporting. It is certainly something to keep an eye on but it isnt the great secret being kept out of the public eye and if this study is a Pharma industry sponsored study ( which we dont know) then it will not be the researchers decision to publish or not!
You are missing the point somewhat here. Again no one is saying that obesity isnt a risk factor. We are saying that it isnt a single key risk factor.
Obesity is a modifiable risk factor for many diseases, diabetes, heart disease, COPD, cancer etc. It is of no surprise that obesity is a complicating factor in COVID 19
If you have read your own links you clearly see that obesity is linked with many other risk factors such as age, diabetes for example, much as I stated above.
So we are not arguing that Obesity isnt a risk factor but only how it isnt the leading risk factor!
Just read this below in a local newspaper, very sad but I ask who is to blame - social media for peddling misinformation or the individual for believing it?
A heartbreaking message from an unvaccinated dad-of-nine revealed how desperate he was to get the Covid jab days before he died in hospital.
The WhatsApp message sent by Stephen Doyle, from Runcorn, Cheshire, to his ex-partner Nichola while he was in hospital missing Christmas said he would be "getting the jabs" as soon as he could.
The otherwise healthy 45-year-old died in Warrington Hospital, however, from Covid complications on January 3, leaving relatives and friends "devastated", CheshireLive reports.
In a message exchange with Nichola, Stephen spoke of how upset he was that he wasn't allowed visitors over Christmas, with his ex-partner reassuring him that the family would "have another Christmas Day".
She said to him: "We will most definitely have another Xmas day when you are out, the food, presents, the lot but as long as your (sic) okay and on the mend and we will still have you here then (sic) missing Xmas is not a big deal right now.
"I'll video them opening their mains and send you loads of pics too."
In response, Stephen said: "Okay thank you, if you get a Christmas picture get one of them tight together so it will (fit) on my screen saver, give them the best day please they still deserve it.
"I am getting the jabs as soon as I can."
Following his death, his cousin Michelle Pierce, a nurse practitioner at Llandudno Hospital, spoke on behalf of the family.
She said they wanted people to realise that coronavirus was having an impact on younger, healthy people who havent been vaccinated and their families too.
Michelle, 54, said: "When Stephen was in hospital he texted his former partner Nichola and said, Im getting the jabs as soon as I can.
"He said he never wanted to go through this again. Sadly, he never got the chance to get vaccinated. It was too late for him.
"He was against the vaccination before he went in and I would say he was influenced by all the talk on social media.
"He had no underlying health conditions. He was fit and healthy."
This is people using social media to peddle cr@p. Trouble is, social media has gained ‘herd acceptance’ and those who run it seem unwilling to address some of the issues.
Sad but he wasnt really fit and healthy, not mentally healthy at least or hed have seen sense, not been gulled by the nonsense on socialmedia, had his jabs like a reasonable, rational chap and still been with his family.
Looking at the pictures of the bloke in the papers, he does look older than his 45 years, mind you 9 kids would age anyone, he doesnt look especially fit to be honest.
2 points here, you cant still pass on the virus when vaccinated although the data shows less than if non vaccinated.
Other point is he isnt any risk of spreading the virus for at least the next 6-9 months due to him just recovering from covid.
So the morbidly obese chap is just talking nonsense, Djokovic isnt any risk at all for at least the next 6-9 months.
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