Should the watch matter?

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12th January 2018, 20:10
bigmul

Should the watch matter?

So earlier this week I was travelling from Newcastle to London on the train for work and I noticed that the guy sat next to me had a Navitimer on. I was wearing my Aquaracer chrono and ummed and ahhed about saying "nice watch". I didn't....I'm sure we've all had the thought!

Anyway - I then noticed that the centre chrono hand was "ticking" and my estimation of him dropped immediately. Firstly, am I wrong to think bad of a person because they had s honky watch on, secondly does anyone else do this?!?
12th January 2018, 20:22
groyn

I keep the centre chrono hand running sometimes, just because I feel like it.
12th January 2018, 20:29
Omegamanic

Perhaps it was quartz?
12th January 2018, 20:31
Carl.1

Bad man.....you don't know why he had it running, people time stuff. You have presumed he just let it run and was not actually using it.:stupid:
12th January 2018, 20:33
Omegamanic

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Originally Posted by Carl.1

Bad man.....you don't know why he had it running, people time stuff. You have presumed he just let it run and was not actually using it.:stupid:

I think the assumption was that it was a fake because of the ticking.
12th January 2018, 20:35
bigmul

Sorry - to be clear it was a ticking centre hand, not a sweeping centre hand. ie - a quartz knock off
12th January 2018, 20:44
MB2

I think "we" judge because we wouldn't go near a fake but that in a way is because we know what else better can be had but to many it is just "a bit of fun" and whilst I don't agree with fakes for many watches are simply not very important.

I must admit my attitutude has changed a bit and I still detest people who "up badge" their cars and I feel much the same about fakes I do see how people who don't care buy them on holiday as they like the look/think they are funny.

This is very different from people who try to make "replicas" as close as possible to the real thing and spend loads on them. Whilst I can understand the "hobby" aspect I do feel these "high end fakes" are intended to deceive and as such are no longer "fun" and can potentially be used for fraudulent purposes as well as trying to pretend you own something you don't.
12th January 2018, 20:50
blackal

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Originally Posted by bigmul

So earlier this week I was travelling from Newcastle to London on the train for work

As long as you weren't in First Class - In which case, you had a social duty to report him to the guard.
12th January 2018, 20:54
Omegamanic

They did/do make quartz Chronograph Tag's that tick.
12th January 2018, 20:57
Hooshabak

The centre hand does tick, doesn’t it!
12th January 2018, 21:01
Mr Tetley

Could it have been the Rotary homage to the Navitimer?
12th January 2018, 21:01
bigmul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omegamanic

They did/do make quartz Chronograph Tag's that tick.

The Navitimer was ticking, as in a quartz ticking. Not the usual sub dial, the main chrono second hand.
12th January 2018, 21:16
PhiloStan

If the person is a stranger, then I don’t care as everyone’s priorities in life are different. However if it is someone I know and I suddenly discovered that he/she knowingly wears a fake, then my impression of him/her will definitely be lower. Maybe a bit double standards but I honestly don’t want to be associated with people who wear fakes knowingly and try to pass it off as the real thing.
12th January 2018, 21:34
JasonM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Tetley

Could it have been the Rotary homage to the Navitimer?

That was my first thought too.
12th January 2018, 22:02
Omegamanic

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigmul

The Navitimer was ticking, as in a quartz ticking. Not the usual sub dial, the main chrono second hand.

Yep - the main chronograph hand on the quartz Chronograph versions tick.
12th January 2018, 22:02
Steelgecko

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhiloStan

If the person is a stranger, then I don’t care as everyone’s priorities in life are different. However if it is someone I know and I suddenly discovered that he/she knowingly wears a fake, then my impression of him/her will definitely be lower. Maybe a bit double standards but I honestly don’t want to be associated with people who wear fakes knowingly and try to pass it off as the real thing.

PhiloStan, my thoughts too except I take perhaps a slightly stronger line. A stranger on the train and you want to wear a fake - that's your call, I won't respect you for it but you're not directly harming me so I won't waste my time giving you a second thought. But a friend, a work colleague...you just slipped majorly in my good opinion. Trust is important in any relationship and if someone is so vain, so snobbish, so insecure that they'd fake their wealth to impress others (and be willing to support criminal enterprises that also engage in people trafficking and forced prostitution)...what else are they willing to hide or deceive over to avoid the perceived risk of criticism or embarrassment? Little tells like this sometimes conceal bigger character flaws in my experience.

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12th January 2018, 22:04
PipPip

I surprised a guy at work this week by asking him if he knows how to use the circular slide rule on his Navitimer. He surprised me even more by saying that yes he does and has used it for fun. He said nobody has ever commented on his watch and was chuffed that I not only recognised it but knew what all the numbers are for. I was inpressed since he is a 30 year old youngster. He is an accountant though.
12th January 2018, 22:06
Steelgecko

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackal

As long as you weren't in First Class - In which case, you had a social duty to report him to the guard.

Haha, but it is indeed the truth that the snob here is actually the fake wearer, who wishes to project an aura of wealth and social superiority that they possibly do not posess.

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12th January 2018, 22:14
Der Amf

The BP shows that not wearing fakes is no guarantee of nothing
12th January 2018, 23:23
chrisparker

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Originally Posted by Steelgecko

PhiloStan, my thoughts too except I take perhaps a slightly stronger line. A stranger on the train and you want to wear a fake - that's your call, I won't respect you for it but you're not directly harming me so I won't waste my time giving you a second thought. But a friend, a work colleague...you just slipped majorly in my good opinion. Trust is important in any relationship and if someone is so vain, so snobbish, so insecure that they'd fake their wealth to impress others (and be willing to support criminal enterprises that also engage in people trafficking and forced prostitution)...what else are they willing to hide or deceive over to avoid the perceived risk of criticism or embarrassment? Little tells like this sometimes conceal bigger character flaws in my experience.

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I think you can read too much into it. I've a school friend who 20 years ago had loads of fake watches which he used to pick up on various holidays. He loved them, and I know he still wears a fake Planet Ocean. He's tight and just can't fathom why anyone would spend thousands of pounds on a watch.

His dad, brother, and many of our friends have some nice watches, and have often talked about the subject, yet he still would never part with a large sum of money for one. I don't judge him for it. I don't trust him any less. He's not out to deceive anyone, nor is it about trying to impress others, he likes them.
13th January 2018, 02:40
Steelgecko

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Originally Posted by chrisparker

I think you can read too much into it. I've a school friend who 20 years ago had loads of fake watches which he used to pick up on various holidays. He loved them, and I know he still wears a fake Planet Ocean. He's tight and just can't fathom why anyone would spend thousands of pounds on a watch.

His dad, brother, and many of our friends have some nice watches, and have often talked about the subject, yet he still would never part with a large sum of money for one. I don't judge him for it. I don't trust him any less. He's not out to deceive anyone, nor is it about trying to impress others, he likes them.

Fair enough. Not everyone is trying to be the big man and people wear fakes for all sorts of reasons. I've just seen enough people with fakes over the years to form a general impression that very often they are trying to project an image at odds with how they are really perceived due to their other personality traits, especially when you have time to scratch the surface. But I agree one shouldn't far everyone with the same brush.

Nevertheless I find outright fakes distasteful and I refuse to accept they are harmless to society, and anyone who thinks it's just fun is naive to the realities of the criminal enterprises who operate at the production and distribution. If you think Apple, Wal-Mart and others may have had poor working conditions in some factories, do you think factories turning out counterfeit products are paragons of good practice for their child labour in virtual slavery? Are their supply chains geared to at least complying with laws on workers rights? Does the money they launder get turned into at least some tax to pay for public institutions and social care instead of massive wealth for those at the top? And does that same money stay only in counterfeit good productiom or are those same criminals interested also in such charming industries as people trafficking and forced prostitution?

At least publicly listed companies and their boards can be held to account, even if they too can be found guilty of disgusting complacency and even exploitation of labour.

Sorry to get moralistic but I feel quite strongly about this. What's the story of abject human suffering behind your friend's fun, cheap watches?

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13th January 2018, 07:51
Brauner Hund

This thread has given me an early morning chuckle. I suspect the problem is with the 'judger' rather than 'judgee'. I learnt long, long ago not to assess or judge people on a material basis ;)
13th January 2018, 10:14
asteclaru

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omegamanic

Yep - the main chronograph hand on the quartz Chronograph versions tick.

There are no Quartz versions of the Navitimer Chrono as the OP describes it (with subdials)

LE : I stand corrected. There was the Navitimer Jupiter Pilot that was Quartz and had subdials :

http://www.breitlingsource.com/watch...timer_134.html

http://www.breitlingsource.com/watch...timer_135.html
13th January 2018, 11:42
Yokel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brauner Hund

This thread has given me an early morning chuckle. I suspect the problem is with the 'judger' rather than 'judgee'. I learnt long, long ago not to assess or judge people on a material basis ;)

Unfortunately, right or wrong, it is part of the human condition to categorize. Everything we do, say, or wear adds to the impression we give others.

A "blonde" lady wearing track suit bottoms barged in front of me this morning to grab her copies of the Mail and the Sun. I'm afraid she became a "judgee" without my even having looked at her watch.
13th January 2018, 12:18
Omegamanic

Quote:

Originally Posted by asteclaru

There are no Quartz versions of the Navitimer Chrono as the OP describes it (with subdials)

LE : I stand corrected. There was the Navitimer Jupiter Pilot that was Quartz and had subdials :

http://www.breitlingsource.com/watch...timer_134.html

http://www.breitlingsource.com/watch...timer_135.html

I was only offering a possible alternative. We all jump to conclusions, but just sometimes it’s not correct.
13th January 2018, 15:33
snowman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Tetley

Could it have been the Rotary homage to the Navitimer?

Or a Sekonda?

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13th January 2018, 19:26
Brauner Hund

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yokel

Unfortunately, right or wrong, it is part of the human condition to categorize. Everything we do, say, or wear adds to the impression we give others.

A "blonde" lady wearing track suit bottoms barged in front of me this morning to grab her copies of the Mail and the Sun. I'm afraid she became a "judgee" without my even having looked at her watch.

I read that as you having made a behavioural, rather than materialistic, judgement ;) :)
13th January 2018, 19:35
bigmul

I can confirm that the watch wasn't the quartz version, not was it a rotary / sekonda.... Perhaps it was just me that's a fault for judging a complete stranger who might actually have zero interest in watches and have been given it is a present!
13th January 2018, 21:13
Omegamanic

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigmul

I can confirm that the watch wasn't the quartz version, not was it a rotary / sekonda.... Perhaps it was just me that's a fault for judging a complete stranger who might actually have zero interest in watches and have been given it is a present!

No, it’s not just you. It was a stranger and we use a number of criteria to weigh up a situation in seconds. Our brains take in so much stimuli in that type of situation, but then you noticed the watch wasn’t right and decided not to strike up a onversstion about watches - which was probably a good call.